I am running Sonic Birth on an M2 mac under macOS 14, will it work on macOS 15 or Tahoe 26?

[zmix]

I am running Sonic Birth on an M2 mac under macOS 147.6, will it work on macOS 15 and beyond?

[Kewl]

No. macOS 15 and later are missing some nuts & bolts needed for SonicBirth.

What I'm doing though is running SB in a macOS 12.7.6 virtual machine in macOS 26.2 on a MacBook Pro M4 Pro. I use VirtualBuddy https://github.com/insidegui/VirtualBuddy for the setup and running of the virtual machine.

In that macOS 12.7.6 virtual machine, the host is usually Plogue Bidule. Similar Bidule patches of mine that could be a though load on a 2013 Mac Pro are now using around no more than 10% of the total CPU power on my MBP (or 120% on a total of 1400% in Activity Monitor metrics).

And it's stable enough that I did in the last weeks two or three hours long live streams on YouTube with the Bidule patch using SonicBirth plug-ins in virtual macOS 12.7.6, sending the audio to OBS Studio in the non-virtual macOS 26.2 and running live fragment shaders (Shadertoy) with Vuo in 26.2 for the visuals.

It's not high art, but it's fun!

[zmix]

Whoa - this is very concerning.

I am currently downloading Sequoia..!!

I'm also in the middle of an album project.

I have a number of custom, proprietary plug-ins that I cannot afford to lose.. what are the chances that SonicBirth will be updated?

f**k.

Apple's Logic Devs told me Rosetta was still a part of macOS 15

What to do...???

[zmix]

What is the future of all this? Can SonicBirth be updated? Anyone using MAX or RNBO?

[Kewl]

Oh, yes Rosetta is still available in macOS 15 and 26, but not either Carbon or Cocoa APIs that are used by SonicBirth, if memory serves me right.

[Kewl]

You can use AUNetSend and AUNetReceive to send and get back audio from a real machine to a virtual machine.

[zmix]

I'm so depressed.. I have so many plug-ins that I use that have no commercial equivalences..

I could run them from my 32-bit laptop as hardware channel inserts..


You said : "... but not either Carbon or Cocoa APIs that are used by SonicBirth, if memory serves me right."

Can you confirm that under Sequoia SonicBirth AU plug-ins do not run?

[Kewl]

I went the virtual machine route because macOS 15 left me no choice...

[zmix]

Oh Man...

I guess I'll either have to learn to code or buy Max / RNBO and copy all my algos over manually..

Have you had any progress updating the code base of SB?

[Kewl]

Well, I started working on it with ChatGPT this week since the integration in Xcode is pretty efficient. Maybe, maybe, I'll have something for you (and others interested) to test soon.

[zmix]

That is good to hear. I've been overwhelmed looking at possible replacements for SB, and there is nothing like it out there.

If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know.

[Kewl]

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