Automation clips behavior in Live Matrix (vs Time Line)

[jaytwoeight]

1) I am playing with the automation clips behavior and I noticed that I am not able to make an automation clip (inside the Live Matrix) loop. Is this intentional?

The MIDI clips on the parent track loop just fine, but the automation ones simply don't have the loop markers inside.

2) Also, if automation clips can play both in the Time Line and Live Matrix at the same time for the same track how do they stack?

I am coming from Bitwig where for a given track only a Timeline/Arranger OR Clip Launcher clip can play (but not both). So in MuLab I understand when it's MIDI clips playing in both views both clips trigger the notes inside them, but with Automation clips it's hard to tell what the end result is: does the clip inside one view take precedence over the other or is there some equation for how they stack/add up?

[pljones]

One of the fun things in MuLab is writing debugging tools - converting automation to events and watching them in the event viewer at various points can be incredibly informative. Or actually sticking a UI with a slider in and having the automation drive it and see what happens... (That's my way of saying "Not a clue but it really is fun working it out")

[MuTools]

1) I am playing with the automation clips behavior and I noticed that I am not able to make an automation clip (inside the Live Matrix) loop. Is this intentional?

Automation clips in the Live Matrix aka Clip Launcher can be looped the same way as automation clips in the Timeline: By indicating both loop start and loop end envelope points. Attached a simple project that demonstrates this.

2) Also, if automation clips can play both in the Time Line and Live Matrix at the same time for the same track how do they stack?

The clips are playing automation = absolute values, not modulation = relative values.
So if you have parallel automation clips targetting the same parameter, they will fight.
It's on the wishlist to also add modulation clips, but that's still future dreaming atm.

[jaytwoeight]

Thank you!!

1) I see the loop start/end in your example! How do I get them to show up in my automation clip? They are not there when I make a new automation clip and always there for a new MIDI clip... so I don't know how to get them to appear ;(

2) I see... When you say "they will fight" what is actually happening? Meaning if at the same second one clip says it should be 65 while the other says it should be 55, what is the reality? Or it just ends up being unstable/unpredictable over time?

[MuTools]

1) I see the loop start/end in your example! How do I get them to show up in my automation clip? They are not there when I make a new automation clip and always there for a new MIDI clip... so I don't know how to get them to appear ;(

The looping in sequence clips and in automation clips is different.
See
https://www.mutools.com/info/M10/docs/m ... ditor.html
https://www.mutools.com/info/M10/docs/m ... ditor.html

2) I see... When you say "they will fight" what is actually happening? Meaning if at the same second one clip says it should be 65 while the other says it should be 55, what is the reality? Or it just ends up being unstable/unpredictable over time?

It won't crashor become unstable but if these automation events happen at the exact same time then the first one will be overwritten by the last one. Which is first and which is last is not predictable; It's a situation to avoid.

Practical note: Tomorrow and thursday i will be mostly offline. Friday, or at latest this weekend, i'll pickup and continue.

[jaytwoeight]

Thank you SO much! You are the best for responding so fast.