Omnisphere 3

[SMGM]

Anyone with Omni 3 and a Sonic Extention out there?
Could I easily copy the FX Chain to use for another bell or key sound after the Upgrade?

[bmanic]

So then what if you use the “All” category and rate there? Aren’t the duplicates removed there?

That's confusing because when I do that I see only one of each preset

I just tested the one mentioned above that is in several different libraries (Dolby's guitaret). Found it in "All Omnisphere", set a rating of 4. Then I went and found it in Ambient Dreams library, and it preserved the 4 stars there. Then I went and found it in Electronic Underground and it did not have a rating!

So this is even more nonsensical that it would keep it in one category and not another.

I'm pretty sure that is a bug. As you said, it makes absolutely no sense. When you are in the 'All' category, it most definitely should add the star rating to ALL the categories.

If you find the time, please report it to Spectrasonics. They are quite good at responding to bug reports and will probably confirm if it is one. If it is a "feature", then let them know that it makes no sense and that they are being silly. They listen to that too. I've sent them a few of those emails in the past and lo and behold, things got eventually fixed.

[aMUSEd]

So then what if you use the “All” category and rate there? Aren’t the duplicates removed there?

That's confusing because when I do that I see only one of each preset

I just tested the one mentioned above that is in several different libraries (Dolby's guitaret). Found it in "All Omnisphere", set a rating of 4. Then I went and found it in Ambient Dreams library, and it preserved the 4 stars there. Then I went and found it in Electronic Underground and it did not have a rating!

So this is even more nonsensical that it would keep it in one category and not another.

Yeah it looks like when you have all showing rather than list several identical presets it just shows one from one of the libraries it is in (based on alphabetical order?) - so if you rate that it rates it for that one version, but still not all.

[rACatkvr]

Anyone with Omni 3 and a Sonic Extention out there?
Could I easily copy the FX Chain to use for another bell or key sound after the Upgrade?

Yes

[IvyBirds]

Maybe a different perception in that it seems better that way. That is, I may see a patch as a four star pad but only a two star lead and a no star bass. In that way it makes perfect sense to me.

But they aren't divided up that way. They are separate by themes like "Ambient Dreams" and "Retro Vibes". Pads or leas are just tags within those. So you can't rate it as just a pad or just a lead.

And what good is tagging something in the All view to see it randomly be in just one library? None of it makes sense.

You are right it makes zero sense to use the "All" view to simply rank things numerically by stars so don't. Spectrasonics never intended for you to do so

It's not intended to be used that way, because if you did you will just end up with 1500 hundred things you ranked 5 stars that are called pads and at that point it's really useless

The challenge is what is a pad and what are you going to use it for? An Ambient type pad works awesome for Ambient music, but isn't going to work well as part of the bridge in a pop song, and while it might work well for a movie soundtrack it might not. A different pad might work awesome in a pop song, but not really work in an ambient setting or movie score, and it may or may not sound very retro. So if all you doing is ranking ever single pad sound numerically it really has no meaning

Instead they created the attributes and assignments fields to be used in the "All" section. These are really powerful and deep and quite simply blow away simple numeric rankings

Under the Attributes you will find a list of 13 Attributes Spectrasonics has already created and you can add more if you wish. I highly recommend if you are going to use this you add more to sort them by type of timbre.
Note they already have one called timbre. That one has all of the factory assigned "assignments" attached to it. Don't use that for your own custom organization and rankings as what you do will just get mixed in with the things Spectrasonics has already done and it becomes a mess

So in this case you would add one called Pads That way "Pads" is fresh and has nothing assigned to it

Then you would use the "assignments" section to tag them with further descriptions. Say Ambient, or Analog, or 70s, or strings or whatever

So you can search for just pads and then just strings and get a listing of just the string pads you like

You can and should also tag your own creations this way as well.

Anything you would tag would be assumed to be something you like so there is no need for numerical rankings

Also there are other fields behind these that you can populate with anything you wish, but the attribute and the assignment tags should always be used first. There is also a notes section where you can type long descriptions of things

Omnisphere is extremely flexible when it comes to rating and organizing presets you just need to not try to shoehorn things

If all you are looking to do is do star rankings you can do that by creating an Attribute called "Star" then under the assignment tags create one for each type of timbre if there is not one already. So you would the search by selecting Star then pads and you would get a list of everything classified as a pad with your star rankings

[Echoes in the Attic]

Maybe a different perception in that it seems better that way. That is, I may see a patch as a four star pad but only a two star lead and a no star bass. In that way it makes perfect sense to me.

But they aren't divided up that way. They are separate by themes like "Ambient Dreams" and "Retro Vibes". Pads or leas are just tags within those. So you can't rate it as just a pad or just a lead.

And what good is tagging something in the All view to see it randomly be in just one library? None of it makes sense.

You are right it makes zero sense to use the "All" view to simply rank things numerically by stars so don't. Spectrasonics never intended for you to do so

It's not intended to be used that way, because if you did you will just end up with 1500 hundred things you ranked 5 stars that are called pads and at that point it's really useless

The challenge is what is a pad and what are you going to use it for? An Ambient type pad works awesome for Ambient music, but isn't going to work well as part of the bridge in a pop song, and while it might work well for a movie soundtrack it might not. A different pad might work awesome in a pop song, but not really work in an ambient setting or movie score, and it may or may not sound very retro. So if all you doing is ranking ever single pad sound numerically it really has no meaning

Instead they created the attributes and assignments fields to be used in the "All" section. These are really powerful and deep and quite simply blow away simple numeric rankings

Under the Attributes you will find a list of 13 Attributes Spectrasonics has already created and you can add more if you wish. I highly recommend if you are going to use this you add more to sort them by type of timbre.
Note they already have one called timbre. That one has all of the factory assigned "assignments" attached to it. Don't use that for your own custom organization and rankings as what you do will just get mixed in with the things Spectrasonics has already done and it becomes a mess

So in this case you would add one called Pads That way "Pads" is fresh and has nothing assigned to it

Then you would use the "assignments" section to tag them with further descriptions. Say Ambient, or Analog, or 70s, or strings or whatever

So you can search for just pads and then just strings and get a listing of just the string pads you like

You can and should also tag your own creations this way as well.

Anything you would tag would be assumed to be something you like so there is no need for numerical rankings

Also there are other fields behind these that you can populate with anything you wish, but the attribute and the assignment tags should always be used first. There is also a notes section where you can type long descriptions of things

Omnisphere is extremely flexible when it comes to rating and organizing presets you just need to not try to shoehorn things

If all you are looking to do is do star rankings you can do that by creating an Attribute called "Star" then under the assignment tags create one for each type of timbre if there is not one already. So you would the search by selecting Star then pads and you would get a list of everything classified as a pad with your star rankings

No offense as I’m sure you’re trying to help, but that is the most convoluted bunch of gibberish which I could not have less interest in following in order to just quickly mark a preset as one that I really like. I barely use stats at all! I just throw a 4 or 5 once in a while if something stands out, or a throw a one on something that I really can’t stand and know I’d never use.

I can’t even follow what you think the point of the ratings actually are as it seems like you think they shouldn’t be used at all and use workarounds instead with tags.

How on earth do you know that spectrasonics did not intend us to use star ratings in the All category? Why would it be there if they didn’t intend it to be used? If I like a pad that’s in an”ambient” category, guess what, I still like it if it fits into a “retro” category.

We are all dumber now and I award you no points. May god have mercy on your soul.

[IvyBirds]

Maybe a different perception in that it seems better that way. That is, I may see a patch as a four star pad but only a two star lead and a no star bass. In that way it makes perfect sense to me.

But they aren't divided up that way. They are separate by themes like "Ambient Dreams" and "Retro Vibes". Pads or leas are just tags within those. So you can't rate it as just a pad or just a lead.

And what good is tagging something in the All view to see it randomly be in just one library? None of it makes sense.

You are right it makes zero sense to use the "All" view to simply rank things numerically by stars so don't. Spectrasonics never intended for you to do so

It's not intended to be used that way, because if you did you will just end up with 1500 hundred things you ranked 5 stars that are called pads and at that point it's really useless

The challenge is what is a pad and what are you going to use it for? An Ambient type pad works awesome for Ambient music, but isn't going to work well as part of the bridge in a pop song, and while it might work well for a movie soundtrack it might not. A different pad might work awesome in a pop song, but not really work in an ambient setting or movie score, and it may or may not sound very retro. So if all you doing is ranking ever single pad sound numerically it really has no meaning

Instead they created the attributes and assignments fields to be used in the "All" section. These are really powerful and deep and quite simply blow away simple numeric rankings

Under the Attributes you will find a list of 13 Attributes Spectrasonics has already created and you can add more if you wish. I highly recommend if you are going to use this you add more to sort them by type of timbre.
Note they already have one called timbre. That one has all of the factory assigned "assignments" attached to it. Don't use that for your own custom organization and rankings as what you do will just get mixed in with the things Spectrasonics has already done and it becomes a mess

So in this case you would add one called Pads That way "Pads" is fresh and has nothing assigned to it

Then you would use the "assignments" section to tag them with further descriptions. Say Ambient, or Analog, or 70s, or strings or whatever

So you can search for just pads and then just strings and get a listing of just the string pads you like

You can and should also tag your own creations this way as well.

Anything you would tag would be assumed to be something you like so there is no need for numerical rankings

Also there are other fields behind these that you can populate with anything you wish, but the attribute and the assignment tags should always be used first. There is also a notes section where you can type long descriptions of things

Omnisphere is extremely flexible when it comes to rating and organizing presets you just need to not try to shoehorn things

If all you are looking to do is do star rankings you can do that by creating an Attribute called "Star" then under the assignment tags create one for each type of timbre if there is not one already. So you would the search by selecting Star then pads and you would get a list of everything classified as a pad with your star rankings

No offense as I’m sure you’re trying to help, but that is the most convoluted bunch of gibberish which I could not have less interest in following in order to just quickly mark a preset as one that I really like. I barely use stats at all! I just throw a 4 or 5 once in a while if something stands out, or a throw a one on something that I really can’t stand and know I’d never use.

I can’t even follow what you think the point of the ratings actually are as it seems like you think they shouldn’t be used at all and use workarounds instead with tags.

How on earth do you know that spectrasonics did not intend us to use star ratings in the All category? Why would it be there if they didn’t intend it to be used? If I like a pad that’s in an”ambient” category, guess what, I still like it if it fits into a “retro” category.

We are all dumber now and I award you no points. May god have mercy on your soul.

So a detailed explanation makes you dumber awesome. So let me dumb it down for you in a way that a child can understand. You are trying to use Omnisphere 3 in a way the developer didn't intend for your to do so. The dumb thing to do would be to continue to do so when other solutions exist that are better and are simple to use. But hey you do you use it in a way that doesn't work and then complain about it on online forums.

Eric Persing has now said in multiple interviews that he created the current system for tagging and ranking presets and spent years doing so and tagging everything to work exactly like it does. So the safe assumption would be it works exactly as he intended from the start.

Is the smart thing to work within it's structure? Or is the smart thing to bang your head against the wall and get frustrated by trying to use it in a way that Eric didn't intend for it to be used?

So either use the All category and star rank away, or the individual themes and star rank away, knowing that one will not translate into the other and was never intended to from the start. That is the easiest way to deal with the situation and requires limited cognitive resources or effort. Have fun organizing thousands of presets by stars and wading through all of them however.

As for me I think it's much smarter to use the tool as it's intended. If so am using the Ambient Dreams category of presets I would much rather rank them inside of that context. Then if I am using Retro vibes I know that while there maybe some overlap with some presets the bulk of them will be different and I can rank everything in that category as well

If I choose not to use those themes/categories the way Eric Persing intended awesome I can use the All category and make my own to arrange them however I wish. But I guess that makes me dumb it something.

So I should just sit and drool all over my shirt while mindlessly tagging everything with stars knowing that won't work like I want them to, rather than making it all work exactly how I want

Of course that would be a step backwards but at least I wouldn't be dumb

[Echoes in the Attic]

Maybe a different perception in that it seems better that way. That is, I may see a patch as a four star pad but only a two star lead and a no star bass. In that way it makes perfect sense to me.

But they aren't divided up that way. They are separate by themes like "Ambient Dreams" and "Retro Vibes". Pads or leas are just tags within those. So you can't rate it as just a pad or just a lead.

And what good is tagging something in the All view to see it randomly be in just one library? None of it makes sense.

You are right it makes zero sense to use the "All" view to simply rank things numerically by stars so don't. Spectrasonics never intended for you to do so

It's not intended to be used that way, because if you did you will just end up with 1500 hundred things you ranked 5 stars that are called pads and at that point it's really useless

The challenge is what is a pad and what are you going to use it for? An Ambient type pad works awesome for Ambient music, but isn't going to work well as part of the bridge in a pop song, and while it might work well for a movie soundtrack it might not. A different pad might work awesome in a pop song, but not really work in an ambient setting or movie score, and it may or may not sound very retro. So if all you doing is ranking ever single pad sound numerically it really has no meaning

Instead they created the attributes and assignments fields to be used in the "All" section. These are really powerful and deep and quite simply blow away simple numeric rankings

Under the Attributes you will find a list of 13 Attributes Spectrasonics has already created and you can add more if you wish. I highly recommend if you are going to use this you add more to sort them by type of timbre.
Note they already have one called timbre. That one has all of the factory assigned "assignments" attached to it. Don't use that for your own custom organization and rankings as what you do will just get mixed in with the things Spectrasonics has already done and it becomes a mess

So in this case you would add one called Pads That way "Pads" is fresh and has nothing assigned to it

Then you would use the "assignments" section to tag them with further descriptions. Say Ambient, or Analog, or 70s, or strings or whatever

So you can search for just pads and then just strings and get a listing of just the string pads you like

You can and should also tag your own creations this way as well.

Anything you would tag would be assumed to be something you like so there is no need for numerical rankings

Also there are other fields behind these that you can populate with anything you wish, but the attribute and the assignment tags should always be used first. There is also a notes section where you can type long descriptions of things

Omnisphere is extremely flexible when it comes to rating and organizing presets you just need to not try to shoehorn things

If all you are looking to do is do star rankings you can do that by creating an Attribute called "Star" then under the assignment tags create one for each type of timbre if there is not one already. So you would the search by selecting Star then pads and you would get a list of everything classified as a pad with your star rankings

No offense as I’m sure you’re trying to help, but that is the most convoluted bunch of gibberish which I could not have less interest in following in order to just quickly mark a preset as one that I really like. I barely use stats at all! I just throw a 4 or 5 once in a while if something stands out, or a throw a one on something that I really can’t stand and know I’d never use.

I can’t even follow what you think the point of the ratings actually are as it seems like you think they shouldn’t be used at all and use workarounds instead with tags.

How on earth do you know that spectrasonics did not intend us to use star ratings in the All category? Why would it be there if they didn’t intend it to be used? If I like a pad that’s in an”ambient” category, guess what, I still like it if it fits into a “retro” category.

We are all dumber now and I award you no points. May god have mercy on your soul.

So a detailed explanation makes you dumber awesome. So let me dumb it down for you in a way that a child can understand. You are trying to use Omnisphere 3 in a way the developer didn't intend for your to do so. The dumb thing to do would be to continue to do so when other solutions exist that are better and are simple to use. But hey you do you use it in a way that doesn't work and then complain about it on online forums.

Eric Persing has now said in multiple interviews that he created the current system for tagging and ranking presets and spent years doing so and tagging everything to work exactly like it does. So the safe assumption would be it works exactly as he intended from the start.

Is the smart thing to work within it's structure? Or is the smart thing to bang your head against the wall and get frustrated by trying to use it in a way that Eric didn't intend for it to be used?

So either use the All category and star rank away, or the individual themes and star rank away, knowing that one will not translate into the other and was never intended to from the start. That is the easiest way to deal with the situation and requires limited cognitive resources or effort. Have fun organizing thousands of presets by stars and wading through all of them however.

As for me I think it's much smarter to use the tool as it's intended. If so am using the Ambient Dreams category of presets I would much rather rank them inside of that context. Then if I am using Retro vibes I know that while there maybe some overlap with some presets the bulk of them will be different and I can rank everything in that category as well

If I choose not to use those themes/categories the way Eric Persing intended awesome I can use the All category and make my own to arrange them however I wish. But I guess that makes me dumb it something.

So I should just sit and drool all over my shirt while mindlessly tagging everything with stars knowing that won't work like I want them to, rather than making it all work exactly how I want

Of course that would be a step backwards but at least I wouldn't be dumb

Again - I barely use the stars so not really about to spend hours assigning stars in the All category (which according to you is way harder than assigning stars within all the categories individually even though you would need to star the same preset multiple times).
And again - how do you know they did not intend you to put stars when using the All category, when it is there to use. You just made that up.

For others who actually like to go through and star everything (not me), your advice is to use it in the way it was designed, which is to not retain the rating when you see it in a different theme. Brilliant! So if a synth always intentionally crashed the first time you tried to save a preset, but it successfully did the second time, because the rational was that the developer though it would help you learn sound design by forcing you to recreate every patch before saving a preset, would you say hey don’t complain just use it as it was intended!

Thanks for the alternate perspective of this but even developers of great products can make stupid mistakes, we all do. Defending it because it was intentional doesn’t do anyone any good.

[IvyBirds]

Again - I barely use the stars so not really about to spend hours assigning stars in the All category (which according to you is way harder than assigning stars within all the categories individually even though you would need to star the same preset multiple times).
And again - how do you know they did not intend you to put stars when using the All category, when it is there to use. You just made that up.

For others who actually like to go through and star everything (not me), your advice is to use it in the way it was designed, which is to not retain the rating when you see it in a different theme. Brilliant! So if a synth always intentionally crashed the first time you tried to save a preset, but it successfully did the second time, because the rational was that the developer though it would help you learn sound design by forcing you to recreate every patch before saving a preset, would you say hey don’t complain just use it as it was intended!

Thanks for the alternate perspective of this but even developers of great products can make stupid mistakes, we all do. Defending it because it was intentional doesn’t do anyone any good.

If you barely use the stars why do you care how they work with the various themes?

You are assuming Eric made a stupid mistake, no he didn't he created a brilliant way to organize and rank the presets in a meaningful way

Watch this video starting 9:00 minutes in where Eric Persing addresses all of this



That's not a guy who made a stupid mistake, that's a guy who spent years designing and developing the system to work perfectly the way he intended and who organized thousands of presets to work inside of that system

Now maybe it doesn't work the way you want it to, or maybe you would have done it differently. That doesn't mean he made a stupid mistake

At this point the product has been out for over two months, many people love the new system and have spent time using it, it's doubtful it's going to change as that would tick off a lot of people, especially if it's just to appease people who say they barely use it anyway

[SMGM]

Anyone with Omni 3 and a Sonic Extention out there?
Could I easily copy the FX Chain to use for another bell or key sound after the Upgrade?

Yes

I wonder how this can work when many of the effects in the Sonic Extensions don't go through the Omnisphere Effect Rack, but instead often, if not mostly, run through the Extentions interface?

[DrGonzo]

In addition to toxic smasher, flame distortion has bit crushing. Plus there is per voice bit crushing at the oscillator level. How much bit crushing does a synth need?!

Flame also has input drive, no? And filtering. After all these years after Omni 2 was released, Flame is finally is starting to grow on me. Heat is not a bad algo at all.

[noiseboyuk]

Back in this thread for one post directed any anyone who is frustrated by any aspect of the current browser.

I've been in dialogue with Spectrasonics over this who have been great, and they are in the process of making what sounds like major changes. On the specifics of the star ratings on multiple patches, they said "We are actively working on a solution to this and other related issues".

I don't wish to follow up on any discussion here, but for anyone interested in the whole subject head over to VI - https://vi-control.net/community/thread ... ser.167319. Spectrasonics have responded in surprising detail about both their thinking that led here and the future direction of travel.

They are truly a class act.

[billinder33]

Back in this thread for one post directed any anyone who is frustrated by any aspect of the current browser.

I've been in dialogue with Spectrasonics over this who have been great, and they are in the process of making what sounds like major changes. On the specifics of the star ratings on multiple patches, they said "We are actively working on a solution to this and other related issues".

I don't wish to follow up on any discussion here, but for anyone interested in the whole subject head over to VI - https://vi-control.net/community/thread ... ser.167319. Spectrasonics have responded in surprising detail about both their thinking that led here and the future direction of travel.

They are truly a class act.

We were just told in no uncertain terms that Eric is a supergenius and worked 10 years on this system and that it's perfect and working 100% as intended. And now you drop this bombshell??? Bro.....

[legendCNCD]

I've been in dialogue with Spectrasonics over this who have been great, and they are in the process of making what sounds like major changes. On the specifics of the star ratings on multiple patches, they said "We are actively working on a solution to this and other related issues".

Dang this is great to hear.

In other news: working really hard to get our 15 year album out - mainly to upgrade to omnisphere 3 The fx rack has some things we've been putting off the list for some time.

[rACatkvr]

O3 is great, could it be better? Yes. I don’t like Eric’s category system but if star rating had a a way to ‘carry through’ but at the same time be individually set able (ie shit lad but great pad) then I would be very happy.