Zebra 3 Public Beta 2 Revision 20552

[stippenstoh]

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[ThoughtExperiment]

Why aren't there more CC options to choose from in the list of sources in the mod Matrix?

Because for 25 years people were just fine with 2 CC options. Now we added two more, and suddenly it is not enough... that is something I can't really wrap my head around...

Here's an idea: Why don't you MIDI Learn the X value of ModMath 4 and then move all targets from Pressure to ModMath 4. I don't think there'll be many presets where ModMath 4 is taken, and this way you get an extra CC for free.

well...times have changed quite a bit. If i could freely speak out my wishes for the already awesome Zebra3 i would certainly wish for the following;

8 macro's (simple knobs)
8 lfo's
8 mseg's
8 modmappers
8 different random mod sources
4 noise sources
4 eq sources
4 exciter sources
4 modal sources
4 comps
4 reverbs
4 modulation fx
2 or 4 texture reverbs
4 eq's fx
and the ability to send everything into everything

Hoooo boy
Well, they do say 'if you don't ask, you don't get'

[Urs]

Hey, you'll be getting 4 ModFX... so...

[Urs]

Btw the ability to send everything into everything... that's already there, no? At least for Mod Sources this has been improved over earlier builds...

[jtsterays]

Yea, what's wrong with just having 8 automatable macros knobs? In FL, the way to access the CCs to automate them is such a pain in the ass.

[Urs]

Yea, what's wrong with just having 8 automatable macros knobs? In FL, the way to access the CCs to automate them is such a pain in the ass.

Yeah, exactly!

There's noting wrong with 8 macro knobs. The 4 we have are based on the wishes of two dozen sound designers who do not want to spend a large portion of their time on setup with little returns. 4 seems a good compromise. If another 4 are "User Only", I don't see a problem.

But again, we haven't fully finished the 4 yet, as per requests during this beta phase. Let's do that first, then evaluate how well (or not) this works, then maybe do a proper survey.

[exmatproton]

4 modfx is nice i was partly joking (partly not though )

[Urs]

Yeah, I think there is a threshold from when it makes more sense to use a second instance of Zebra. Anything "8" I think crosses that threshold significantly often.

[jtsterays]

Yea, what's wrong with just having 8 automatable macros knobs? In FL, the way to access the CCs to automate them is such a pain in the ass.

Yeah, exactly!

There's noting wrong with 8 macro knobs. The 4 we have are based on the wishes of two dozen sound designers who do not want to spend a large portion of their time on setup with little returns. 4 seems a good compromise. If another 4 are "User Only", I don't see a problem.

But again, we haven't fully finished the 4 yet, as per requests during this beta phase. Let's do that first, then evaluate how well (or not) this works, then maybe do a proper survey.

That's fair. 2 questions though:
- Will they be renamable in the future?
- You talked about how Serum and it's clone (eg Vital) have too much tabbing, but these macros knobs are in a tab, wouldnt it be better if they're always shown like in those synths? (I'm aware that this requires a GUI rework)

[Rnaroth]

Yeah, exactly!

There's noting wrong with 8 macro knobs. The 4 we have are based on the wishes of two dozen sound designers who do not want to spend a large portion of their time on setup with little returns. 4 seems a good compromise. If another 4 are "User Only", I don't see a problem.

But again, we haven't fully finished the 4 yet, as per requests during this beta phase. Let's do that first, then evaluate how well (or not) this works, then maybe do a proper survey.

Yep. 4 is good enough. 5 if you also consider the Modwheel. Even if there are xy pads planned for the future, I hope they are powered by these 4 only. I have created sound packs for sale and also other composers. Finding meaningful variations in a synth patch is hard beyond a certain number.

I’d rather get more filters, filter types and sound shapers.

[pdxindy]

well...times have changed quite a bit. If i could freely speak out my wishes for the already awesome Zebra3 i would certainly wish for the following;

(lots more of everything

That would be a disaster... it would completely break the UI.

[Rnaroth]

Urs, what happened to Vintage and Vintage2 filter types? What is the closest to these in zebra3?

[Urs]

Will they be renamable in the future?

We're considering labels. This would not change their names in drop downs, but it would let people specify what they do.

You talked about how Serum and it's clone (eg Vital) have too much tabbing, but these macros knobs are in a tab, wouldnt it be better if they're always shown like in those synths? (I'm aware that this requires a GUI rework)

I don't know. I use MIDI, and I think many people want them to use automation or expressions. Those things are in the host, I'm not sure we permanently need to put them on the screen.

Speaking of Serum, who needs to permanently have Vel/Key Curves available? Why not tuck something like that away for the one half minute anyone needs to set them up - and use the freed up space for something more frequently useful?

[JoeLowery215]

Urs am I mistaken that there’s no diode or asymmetrical type of distortion? I know Z2 had different OD’s for the filters..

The analogue modelled filters have various asymmetric types of distortion.

Also slightly unrelated but how was the synth intro done on your recent videos? The “VHS” tape effect is nice and what synth was used? Ha!

Thanks

What synth was used?

As for video editing, I think it's always the latest daVinci Resolve.

Haha thanks. Was it Z3?

I meant the awesome lo-fi sound effect on the synth. Sounds great

Yea I figured the filters had asymmetrical distortion. Thanks

[Urs]

Urs, what happened to Vintage and Vintage2 filter types? What is the closest to these in zebra3?

Ladder for sure.