LANDR acquires Reason Studios (DAW/Plugin)

[kinkajou]

AU shows up in the plugin list and works so far.
The problem is, that i can't use the players within RRP, because the AU version does not send MIDI out to other tracks in Ableton Live.

[muzicxs]

It's a pity the perpetual Reason Rack still doesn't offer all the devices. Otherwise it would have been an instant purchase.

[parma]

It's a pity the perpetual Reason Rack still doesn't offer all the devices. Otherwise it would have been an instant purchase.

I wish they would've kept the $499 price but included all Reason Studios devices. Reason Suite.

[muzicxs]

I wish they would've kept the $499 price but included all Reason Studios devices. Reason Suite.

That would have been an option too. A tiered model where you can eventually reach an "ultimate" version for a steeper price.

[careyletendre]

https://www.kvraudio.com/news/reason-st ... cing-65948

"Reason Studios makes Reason Rack available as a separate product and introduces lower pricing"

I guess that's the nail in the coffin for the Reason stand-alone version; which makes me sad.

[sellyoursoul]

I guess that's the nail in the coffin for the Reason stand-alone version; which makes me sad.

I don't see anything negative here. It's not as if the daw could get less development attention. The daw has stayed much the same since Record was integrated quite a few years ago. More sales via offering the rack as a standalone purchase should pull in more money for development, which might help the daw get some development.

It might sound like blasphemy to some Reason users given it's roots, but I have thought for a long time that Reason was being cut off at the knees by focusing too heavily on electronic music. It sure wouldn't hurt to make it stronger for general keys and other instruments, offering sampled content with more detail and more attractions for guitar players, bass players, and drummers. Beside that, it's not particularly attractive as a daw for general use.

[BONES]

In terms of Landr, they look like deep pockets, jumping into multiple areas to "corner" a customer in their ecosystem, it's possible Reason has been on their radar for a while, since a DAW is the only missing piece here.

Or maybe Reason have been in financial difficulty for some time and were desperate to find someone to bail them out? As you say, we can't know.

BTW, why is this in the INSTRUMENTS forum?

[Benedict]

I have thought for a long time that Reason was being cut off at the knees by focusing too heavily on electronic music. It sure wouldn't hurt to make it stronger for general keys and other instruments, offering sampled content with more detail and more attractions for guitar players, bass players, and drummers.

I don't really get that. Sure Reason focuses adverts on Trap etc (which is not for me), but all the tools are very universal, esp the Mixing workflow, so it does not preclude anything. I have mixed many styles in Reason and never for a moment felt, oh but it should...

My concern is that LANDR will push even harder into making Reason only for little rubber children who want to play DAW Hero instead of being a professional workspace for music of any/all types (and that doesn't mean silly things like Geetar Ampz)

[Grizzellda]

It "feels to me" that more and more software is gonna be by subscription. And why not? That will be the best way to keep up with current OS.

Quite awhile back, I saw an interview with Larry Ellison, (from Oracle corporation)...

And he said something like, well software should simply be delivered thru the internet, what is the need for a cardboard box?

I will somewhat agree, a subscription keeps the software up-to-date, and also with the OS which will get updated too!

It really (rilly rilly) actually, does make sense.

[Tj Shredder]

BTW, why is this in the INSTRUMENTS forum?

Because of Reason Rack, as I pointed out, the only reason I have Reason. Its about their instruments and sort of modular approach to it…
Could have its own threads in Hosts and FX, but fits in here for me perfectly… Talking about the DAW aspects should go elsewhere…

[billinder33]

Live v12.3 and i installed Reason several times from scratch. AU is fine, but i don't get VST3 to work and I always thought it's a common problem....
Is there a way to "reset" any Live plugin caches or something like that...? <- also not working

I had a similar issue with Minimal Audio Current on my M1. Issue was DAW agnostic. Wasted hours trying to find a solution and never did. Even Gemini AI - which knows every obscure coding language, particle physics, and every cat meme ever made - couldn't help me figure it out.

[billinder33]

It "feels to me" that more and more software is gonna be by subscription. And why not? That will be the best way to keep up with current OS.

Quite awhile back, I saw an interview with Larry Ellison, (from Oracle corporation)...

And he said something like, well software should simply be delivered thru the internet, what is the need for a cardboard box?

I will somewhat agree, a subscription keeps the software up-to-date, and also with the OS which will get updated too!

It really (rilly rilly) actually, does make sense.

It makes sense if you are ok just using one or two of the large software packages and are fine being confined inside that locked box forever. I use hundreds of plugins made by dozens of companies. If they were all subs, I'd be bankrupt.

I'm not anti-sub. I have a Splice, Suno Studio, and Specterr sub because these are online services. But those are fundamentally different from a DAW plugin, which doesn't require expensive cloud-hosted infrastructure to deliver value.

[sellyoursoul]

I have thought for a long time that Reason was being cut off at the knees by focusing too heavily on electronic music. It sure wouldn't hurt to make it stronger for general keys and other instruments, offering sampled content with more detail and more attractions for guitar players, bass players, and drummers.

I don't really get that. Sure Reason focuses adverts on Trap etc (which is not for me), but all the tools are very universal, esp the Mixing workflow, so it does not preclude anything. I have mixed many styles in Reason and never for a moment felt, oh but it should...

My concern is that LANDR will push even harder into making Reason only for little rubber children who want to play DAW Hero instead of being a professional workspace for music of any/all types (and that doesn't mean silly things like Geetar Ampz)

It seems obvious to me that Reason is targeted at being a package for electronic based music. And I think it is proven that the vast majority of music being made with it is electronic based by looking at the music being posted by Reason users. The only specific devices included in Reason for other instruments are Softube guitar amp / bass amp and Radical Piano, none of which are likely to be first choice devices for those instruments. There is nothing in Reason specific for acoustic drums / e-drums. Reason does still have the very old NN-19 and NN-XT sample content, but it isn't likely to get much use outside of creating hybrid sampled / synth sounds. I'm surprised that after all these years Reason hasn't gotten a modern sampler and sample content.

Given that the daw and plugins market is mostly made up of hobbyists, I think any developer would do well to prioritize serving that customer base. That isn't to say that hobbyists don't want pro level tools, but most hobbyists are revolving around playing at least one instrument, where someone who mixes for a living cares less about inclusion of specific tools for playing and more about tools for mixing.

[pdxindy]

Not every acquisition has to be a bad thing. Just look at Image Line & UVI – UVI didn't get any worse because of it.

It hasn't been 3 full years yet. There is still plenty of time for Image Line's parent company to do something users won't like

[pdxindy]

What's a bit annoying is that some of the more unusual and exciting instruments, players, and effects from Reason are missing from Reason Rack like Objekt, Algorithm, Friction, Chord Sequencer, Bass Line Generator, or Osmium.

I would have loved to know that before buying Reason Rack.

That's why even at the new price of $199 I'm still not interested. I only really want Objekt. If they ever sell that as a standalone plugin, I'll buy it.