LANDR acquires Reason Studios (DAW/Plugin)

[DCrown]

I think they also acquired Audified, just found some email in my inbox.

[SLiC]

That’s why they should do the free ‘empty’ rack…then people can just buy what they like…

[BONES]

Because of Reason Rack

Which is not an instrument so it still makes no sense at all.

[Benedict]

It seems obvious to me that Reason is targeted at being a package for electronic based music. And I think it is proven that the vast majority of music being made with it is electronic based by looking at the music being posted by Reason users.

It definitely is. As I noted, RS pitch at Trap and EDM kiddies, just like every other DAW* once they realized that real professionals (in mindset) are rare, paid probably less so. Seeing they all insist on mass market, they have to pitch to DAW Hero types with the lure of munging Looopz, convincing them of their impending (and current) Profulness to stop them drifting back to Gears of Gore or World of Borecraft. Hence, all the constant one-upping of Pro-fulness in DAWville

There are people doing other work but like me, have tended to simply back away from at least Reason spaces as they are so toxic (true compared to most other DAWspaces) so posting my Space Music 100% done in Reason is not welcomed. At best ignored, commonly derided (and supported by Mods and the group in general). This is because scum floats and ensures it does. While it has tended to shift some non-EDMmers away from Reason entirely, the rest of us simply have avoided - even not saying what we do use seeing there are always more eager to say we suk for using Reason rather than taking a moment to understand what we do.

I never hid my tools, but it was at my expense. I am trying some Reason spaces (yet) again, but sadly do not have high hopes. That said KVR itself has always been pretty darned toxic itself.

This is 100% Reason 13 with mostly stock synths and fx. Of the few VST used, most I made myself to suit my wants.



*The obvious exception here being Reaper which just shows features. No pics of bearded tattooists wearing Beetz whilst skateboarding on a train to get a latte (before the uunghhh job never mentioned)

[Tj Shredder]

Because of Reason Rack

Which is not an instrument so it still makes no sense at all.

I have no other use for it than as instrument.
If you only use it as instrument it is an instrument. Anything that receives Midi notes and pulls out a sound is an instrument…
It could fit into the modular forum as well, but Reaktor is also discussed in the instrument forum and nobody complains…

[BONES]

That's like saying an empty 19" rack is an instrument. It's a thing that can contain instruments and you can use it as an instrument but it is not, in and of itself, an instrument. It's not about what you or I or anyone else decides to use it for - you can use a spoon to dig a hole, that doesn't make it a shovel - it's what the f**king thing is. Right now you are sounding like those dickheads in the US government trying to tell us that what we've all seen in those videos is something else entirely.

[careyletendre]

The above argument is semantically absurd.

[Grizzellda]

If the developers of this application are not working on a new sampler...

well, by golly thet oughta be!

[Tj Shredder]

That's like saying an empty 19" rack is an instrument.

Oh, BONES - so much to learn after all these years… But sure its entertaining…

[enCiphered]

The above argument is semantically absurd.

Well, quite literally the intellectual low point of this thread. Every time he posts, the discussion drops a few IQ points just trying to accommodate him

Insecurity with a keyboard.

[Grizzellda]

Speaking of software subscriptions, I still maintain that they make sense.

Are not phones and televisions subscription? People seem addicted to them!

[enCiphered]

Phones and TVs are not subscriptions by default. They’re products you buy outright.
What’s subscription-based are services around them (carrier plans, streaming, cloud).

Software moving to subscription removes the option of ownership. That’s the key difference.
Addiction describes user behavior, not value, fairness or consumer rights

[ATS]

Phones and TVs are not subscriptions by default. They’re products you buy outright.
What’s subscription-based are services around them (carrier plans, streaming, cloud).

Software moving to subscription removes the option of ownership. That’s the key difference.
Addiction describes user behavior, not value, fairness or consumer rights

how does it remove the option for ownership if reason allow you to buy everything OR rent it?

[BONES]

Speaking of software subscriptions, I still maintain that they make sense. Are not phones and televisions subscription? People seem addicted to them!

That's a very interesting point because I hate them but, you're right, most people can't get enough of them. I know plenty of people who have half-a-dozen or more streaming video subscription on the go, all at once. That would be costing them well over $100 a month, easily, but they never think to shed any of them.

I have Prime all the time, for it's free shipping benefits, but I only subscribe to any others when there are enough new shows to justify a month's subscription. I haven't had a Netflix subscription for years, I only paid for Apple TV+ when they were offering three months for the price of one last year, which I haven't since renewed. I've had Britbox a couple times but I've never bothered with Disney+ or Paramount+. I also get Stan, a local Australian streaming service, for free from work but I wouldn't have it if I had to pay for it myself. I am perfectly content watching terrestrial TV most of the time, or their associated very comprehensive ad-supported streaming services.

But I'll guarantee most of the people around here get their streaming telly from mum & dad's account and don't pay for it themselves.

[sellyoursoul]

how does it remove the option for ownership if reason allow you to buy everything OR rent it?

The more users who pay for subscriptions, the more likely the software is to go subscription only. The fewer subscribers, the more likely the subscription model is to be dropped. The fewer subscribers and the more perpetual license users, the more likely that major features will be developed for new versions of the software to entice perpetual license users to pay for new versions. The more subscribers the less likely that major features will be included in new versions of the software with more development going toward generating the most blingy things for maintaining subscribers - constant new devices added for subscribers, rather than a balance of new major features and devices added to the software. The subscription model is detrimental to evolving the whole of the software. Perpetual license users pay for major features in new versions. Subscribers just pay to play.