Damn it B, why?

[ghettosynth]

Behringer's own description:

2 DCOs based on the Oberheim Matrix 6/1000 3396 analog chip
Classic 4-pole filter based on the Oberheim Matrix 6/1000 3397 analog chip

This is almost certainly not correct. First, the 3397 is not a chip used in the M6/1000, it didn't exist then. The CEM 3396 is an original CEM chip. The PA397 and Cool Audio 3397 are modern recreations of the 3396.

The main point though is that they are all essentially the same inside and there would be no real reason to include two of them in one synth unless you were trying to use two filters in the same chip, and, in that case, there are better choices with lower pin counts. This is almost certainly one 3397 and the 3396 reference is trying to tie lineage to the M6/1000.

[Uncle E]

Oh, that’s funny, I missed that. 3396 is the synth-on-a-chip I referred to earlier. Like ghettosynth said, it would normally be pointless, although I can imagine the cutoff and resonance knobs being for a paraphonic filter that’s separate from the voices.

[ghettosynth]

Oh, that’s funny, I missed that. 3396 is the synth-on-a-chip I referred to earlier. Like ghettosynth said, it would normally be pointless, although I can imagine the cutoff and resonance knobs being for a paraphonic filter that’s separate from the voices.

That must be it, but, there would still be no reason to use the 3396 unless they had an insane collection of NOS that nobody else had access to or something, and even then, why when DIP placement certainly cannot be cheaper than SMD placement today.

That said, is this thing multi-voice? Because it states two DCOs? With the 3396/3397, both wave shapers that are driving by digital oscillators drive the same filter on the chip. Of course, you can't tell from the "manual", which, as much as I love the B, the manuals are shit.

I'm not interested in these things anyway, so you can ignore me and enjoy the fruits of B. It is Quite cheap, I'll give it that.

[Uncle E]

That said, is this thing multi-voice? Because it states two DCOs? With the 3396/3397, both wave shapers that are driving by digital oscillators drive the same filter on the chip. Of course, you can't tell from the "manual", which, as much as I love the B, the manuals are shit.

Google AI says it's monophonic. You can clearly hear two notes of polyphony in the video and the screen even says DUO, but it could just be the two DCO's being played separately, like with the JT-Mini.

[Seafire Mk2]

"2-voice paraphonic mode", whatever that means

[ghettosynth]

That said, is this thing multi-voice? Because it states two DCOs? With the 3396/3397, both wave shapers that are driving by digital oscillators drive the same filter on the chip. Of course, you can't tell from the "manual", which, as much as I love the B, the manuals are shit.

Google AI says it's monophonic. You can clearly hear two notes of polyphony in the video and the screen even says DUO, but it could just be the two DCO's being played separately, like with the JT-Mini.

Right, that would be normal for their modern midi implementation that I'm sure is in everything. The 3396/3397 has two oscillators so you could have duo mode or osc/voice mode with two notes.

From: https://www.behringerub1.com/ub-1-specifications.html

UB-1 Micro Specifications

•　Classic chipset 3397/3396
　 from Oberheim Matrix 6 / 1000
•　Premium factory presets:
　 UB-1 Ultimate Patches Vol. 4
•　Create, save and load patches
　 using the free Synthtribe program
　 (Windows 7+ / MacOS 10.10+)
•　2 Oscillators, 1 Suboscillator
•　Classic 4-pole analog filter
•　2 ADSR Envelopes: 1 VCA , 1 VCF
•　32 Slot Patch Memory
•　Built-in keyboard
•　External MIDI keyboard
　 compatible
•　Front Panel controls
•　Two flexible LFOS
•　CC control of most parameters
•　Arpeggiator with Hold feature
•　3.5mm TS MIDI IN port
•　3.5 mm TRS Line/Headphone jack
　 5 mW 32 Ω
•　Powered via USB C jack
　 (power supply not included)
•　Weight: 5.29oz
•　Dimensions:
　 1.42"H / 5.12"W / 3.66"D
•　MSRP 55eur / $69USD

I think that this is as simple as they listed both numbers to capture your attention no matter which direction you're coming from vintage Oberheim or a modern take. I think that there's just one 3397 in there.

[Seafire Mk2]

Damn it Behringer, WHERE THE EFFING EFF IS YOUR JUPITER AND JUNO?

Juno...



£499

https://www.andertons.co.uk/behringer-j ... nthesizer/

[Uncle E]

Still no info on the Dual mode. If it has detune, it'll put it on a completely different level from the original.

[D-Fusion]

Still no info on the Dual mode. If it has detune, it'll put it on a completely different level from the original.

It has Dual and Quad mode so i hope it has a Detune option for instant Phatness
There is now 2 Synths i want now and that is the Tiny UB-1 and the JN-80 and i am still waiting for their Polysource to be released

[Seafire Mk2]

Still no info on the Dual mode. If it has detune, it'll put it on a completely different level from the original.

2 envs would have made a big difference too...

[kritikon]

That tune at the end is a hoot, had me in stitches .

I don't really need it, I've been telling myself for years that I shouldn't buy it when it comes out, that it's a simplistic synth that I've outgrown decades ago, that maybe I should just pull finger and get my old 106 fixed instead, but I don't know why I'm fooling myself. Of course I'm going to buy it the moment it's out over here. Instabuy. And obvs the 60 had quite a number of advantages over the 106. I'll be interested to hear what the unison sounds like, as I remember the 106 unison being fkn awful and almost unusable. Whereas the 60 was proper unison.
I haven't played my 106 for years so I think I've forgotten how much fun it actually was and how immediate it was. Oh my god that chorus really does sound good doesn't it? Yeah I know there are plugins etc that sound pretty close, but who wants tedious sw when you've got creamy phatness like that right at your fingertips (hopefully without the noise).

500 squids will probably come out at $1250 down here, but I'll pay it, of course I will. Behringer, just empty my wallet why don't you you f**kers, it's not like I need to buy food and eat or anything silly like that...
It made me happy just watching that vid. I'm so going to enjoy this over-rated simple dinosaur of a synth. Finally, well done Behringer

And as already mentioned here...where's your fkn Jupiter? Take some more of my money

[Uncle E]

I'll be interested to hear what the unison sounds like, as I remember the 106 unison being fkn awful and almost unusable.

Speed garage bass is 106 sub with unison. We all know you want to be Armand van Helden.

Yeah I know there are plugins etc that sound pretty close, but who wants tedious sw when you've got creamy phatness like that right at your fingertips (hopefully without the noise).

Indeed. None of the plugins do it, even when using good chorus plugins. I'm trying to convince myself that the SoundPaint Juno can hold me over.

And as already mentioned here...where's your fkn Jupiter? Take some more of my money

The fact that new things keep jumping ahead of it is a bad sign. At the same time, they did have the JT-2 on display at NAMM, so maybe not all hope is lost.

[kritikon]

Mind you, the Juno was announced probably 27 yrs ago, whereas the Jupiter was only announced 23 years ago so it's still on course. (A tiny wee bit of exaggeration there)

[Seafire Mk2]

£349

https://www.andertons.co.uk/behringer-b ... m-machine/

[kritikon]

Meh. I 'm hoping they get out of the rut for drum machines & guitar pedals. I keep trying to get myself excited for that 909 of theirs but I just can't drum up any enthusiasm. That BMX is also pig ugly, although that's an insult to pigs.