Auto Sampler, which one ? / all platforms / + creative uses

[Funky40]

Then you are all set. It's the most comprehensive and immediate one available as you can instantly preview the captured samples through logic's own sampler.

Ok ! Thanks for the link. Much appreciated.


( i hate logic since after some months of pause i even don´t know how to load an instrument, and i hate when SW wants to think for me ( ie. applying categorie style thinking, like "Keyboard" etc......but i have a look....) )

Since nobody was saying anything about Sample robot, i guess there was nothing to say

[bmanic]

I totally understand and can relate. I also feel very lost in Logic when I haven't used it in a while. It's got a very rigid way of doing it's own thing. It's not exactly what I'd call a flexible piece of software. You either do it the Logic/Apple way, or you don't do it at all. Kind of the polar opposite of something like Reaper or Bitwig.

But yeah, the Auto Sampler is absolutely excellent. Probably the best available not counting some scripts and complex setups in Reaper.

Oh and once you have sampled some stuff and want to actually find the samples, they can be located here:

~/Music/Audio Music Apps/Sampler Instruments/AutoSampled

[Funky40]

I totally understand and can relate. I also feel very lost in Logic when I haven't used it in a while.

Glad to read i´m not the only one

You either do it the Logic/Apple way, or you don't do it at all.

This....the latter one for me, haha.

i trust it that it´s great. But i think different.........

[beely]

- Create a new Software Instrument track (if you haven't already got a bunch in your startup template).
- In its channel strip on the lower left, click the Instrument slot and choose the plugin you want.

It's really no different to other DAWs in this regard. You can also choose the plugin you want to load on that software instrument track at the time of creating it, from the dialog. you see, if you prefer that method.

If you want to sample an instrument plugin, load the plugin instrument you want to sample first, and then add AutoSampler on the first audio FX slot of the same channel - that will then be playing to, and recording from, the instrument.

Honestly, it's really easy peasy. It's just that when you move to a DAW you don't know, you aren't necessarily clear where to look until you do it once - then you know, and it goes back to being easy peasy...

[Uncle E]

My Investent IS the time i have to spend.

Sample Robot takes some effort at the beginning but its crossfade looping is excellent. Might want to check if AutoSampler does that.

[Echoes in the Attic]

AutoSampler has a round robin functionality

"round Robin pop-up menu: Choose the number of times each sample is captured to provide sound variations for more realistic sample playback (if the source provides sound variations). Choose No to capture each sample only a single time (no round robin).

Oh nice. But then is that round robin convertible to sfz? Does Moss’s converter handle that? Can sfz store round robin or is that only the ampler that dictates round robin playback behavior?

[Funky40]

good questions !

it´s where things lie here. all these details.........#Noobs@work (at least vs. me)

If you want to sample an instrument plugin, load the plugin instrument you want to sample first, and then add AutoSampler on the first audio FX slot of the same channel - that will then be playing to, and recording from, the instrument.

Honestly, it's really easy peasy.

I´d guess i could add some FX behind the Instrument, and add then autosampler somewhere later in the chain, right ?


But: could i also send my audio out from Logic to another application, then FX there, then send audio back to logic into a "Audio-Input" Track ( or wahtever its called), then load autosampler there ? Would this be feasable ? Is Logic open to such workflows ?


i have different needs vs. resampling my Synths.
One is effectivly to resample incl. some post processing.
Even with creative FXing, moving faders while the autosample process runs, note per note fresh again (with slightly different, adjusted, strokes )


(checking waters bevore investing further time)

[beely]

I´d guess i could add some FX behind the Instrument, and add then autosampler somewhere later in the chain, right ?

Sure.

But: could i also send my audio out from Logic to another application, then FX there, then send audio back to logic into a "Audio-Input" Track ( or wahtever its called), then load autosampler there ? Would this be feasable ? Is Logic open to such workflows ?

Yes, but you'll be responsible for routing MIDI out of Logic to whatever is generating the signal, and bringing it's audio back into Logic. The External Insrtrument plugin is probably the best and easiest way to do this.

(checking waters bevore investing further time)

At this point, you should just spend a few minutes doing some tests so you know how it works. It's pretty straightforward.

Videos you might find helpful:

[Funky40]

Videos you might find helpful:

Thanks @beely ! Much appreciated

[Funky40]

This is an attempt to take the off topic discussion from the "NI insolvency thread" here into this one:

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I like the Autosampler in Gig Performer for this because it is dead simple to use and just makes WAV files I can use in anything, I can easily set low and high nite priorities, tell it to whatever notes I want at whatever velocities

how many velocity layers do you set for your normal uses ?
And how many notes per octave ?
( i understand what "your" uses might be most often. You´ve been vocal...so i can adapt to mine)

and thanks for the infos. some useful hints already


sorry for further OT

It really depends

My general setup which is probably over kill is 3 layers ( piano, mezzo, and forte) and 4 notes per octave. For some sounds however especially pads there is no need to do more than a single velocity layer and they often sound better with 1 or 2 notes per octave.

That's my general settings Some sounds/patches

I also Autosample differently for different "special" reasons, these are usually in addition to the the general use samples. The first one is for archival purposes. These patches are extra special to me for whatever reason and I want to sample them the best way possible, for these I sample every single note with 6 layers, again this is over kill but I have it archived for future use

I am also a big fan of plugins that emulate vintage samplers, especially the three Arturia ones. They have restrictions on sample length (30 seconds CMI and Synclavier) and can't do velocity switching. There are certain things I do for these and tricks on how I use the autosampler with it. I will be happy to share if anyone wants that information

ok, thats very helpful.

i think i was also mainly doing 4 notes per octaves and 2 or 4 layers of velocity in my first attempts.

[Sascha Franck]

As far as Logic's Autosampler goes, I'm using it a ton to actually sample other virtual instruments.

For those asking "why in the world would you do that?": It's not to steal content from demos or anything (in fact, I haven't done that even once) but because:

- I like Logic's sampler UI. Offers enough options for most things while still being pretty much straightforward (it's possibly the straightforwardest sampler UI there is).

- You can easily layer samples of very different sources (just select a group in one Sampler instance and drag it over to another instance).

- If you want to get really fancy with your autosampled patches, Alchemy can load them into its OSC slots.

- You can run the source patch through distortion units - but unlike on the source patch running through a distortion unit causing some intermodulation, you will have polyphonic distortion on the target sampler patch. Takes some experimentation to get good results but it's worth it a lot.

As far as the settings go,unless I'm using modulating stuff (which I try to avoid as good as possible), my happy medium is tritones from C0 to C6, 2 sec., 40% loop start, 90% loop end, "Penrose Machine" as the Auto Loop algorithm. At 44.1 (still my prefered format) each sample set will be a bit over 7MB that way. Which is great as there's literally no load time.

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Fwiw, for me *the* main thing when doing all this kinda stuff is to find out which aspects of the source sound need to be included in the sample and which ones you can ignore because the target sampler is providing tools on its own to do things.
For instance, sampling a plain ADSR envelope is pretty pointless, so I typically turn decay/sustain all the way up before sampling and rebuild the envelope in the sampler.
In case the source has a natural decay that you can't get rid off, I sometimes compress the s*** out of things before sampling (use a long attack value to maintain the original attack).
With filters, it's a mixed bag. You need to know what your target sampler will be able to recreate.
Most critical: Any sounds with some kind of movement inside. While I try to avoid those as much, whenever I can't, I usually lower the interval range (hence more samples are created and raise the sample length.

[audiojunkie]

This is an attempt to take the off topic discussion from the "NI insolvency thread" here into this one:

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Since this is a thread to take away from the conversation that was going on in the other thread, could you change the title? This is a subject that all users of all OSes are interested in, not just Macs.

[IvyBirds]

This is an attempt to take the off topic discussion from the "NI insolvency thread" here into this one:

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You should just start a new thread then, rather than insert this into a MAC thread, I don't use Apple products and really can't participate in this one

[pdxindy]

But yeah, the Auto Sampler is absolutely excellent. Probably the best available not counting some scripts and complex setups in Reaper.

Logic's Auto Sampler is awesome... easy to use and immediate.

[Funky40]

from the NI thread, my answer to some quotes. i place it here too:

That's a Mac OS specific thread and I don't use Apple products

I see ! but it is my thread, the original (my) topic has been solved, and i can easily change the topic title ......or we just can create a new topic

A little bit arrogant pointing elsewhere, and then to a specific MAC-topic ,.. I use PC

i am arrogant cause i overlooked a tiny detail in the header that nolonger play a role ? you chose

Auto-sample is very highly topic, considered the situation, format, and ways to move on

yes, and the topic could just be switched over to be a general topic.


....and post this RE - in all my arrogance - now in said "unsuited" topic. Cause i don´t want to derail -in all my arrogance- the NI thread further. ...but you just ruined my day. Thanks for that anyway. means i´m nolonger exactkly interested myself