Ensoniq DP/4 Emulation Incoming!

[theviirus]

Hi everyone, John from Temecula DSP here. ...

I appreciate your approach and transparency about this. I have been critical about your work because this has really felt like a case of "reach/vision exceeds grasp/reality" that I've seen with modern AI use in development and even in academia (me, flat out refusing collaborative project work due to student use of AI bordering on academic integrity issues)

your recent openness alleviates a lot of hesitation and even with the eventual TUS emulation, Im interested in seeing results. Thank you!

[jens]

I dunno, what he said in that forum seemed pretty clear to me.

To me too - he's got the required expertise and put a huge amount of time&work into it and still only managed to suceed thanks to the help of Ai which solved some tedious bulk of coding for him. Without the Ai this project wouldn't have been possible in the first place (i.e not without a big team so it would have taken a big company such as UAD instead and even they most likely couldn't afford to allocate that much manpower to such a niche-product.)

I.e.: no Ai no Ensoniq DP/4 emu, hence no such emu until now.

We have to take his word for it because: why would he be so honest&open about using Ai but then be disingenious in regards to the rest his development process? Makes absolutely zero sense.

Which is why all of this anti-Ai nay-saying bullcrap in this thread is highly illogical and as such extremely annoying.

[TemeculaDSP]

Hi everyone, John from Temecula DSP here. ...

Hey theviirus,

Thank you. It's a new world and one that's just as scary as it is exciting. It's disruptive to individuals and companies alike, and I totally understand the hesitation--especially seeing how it gets misused in academia and dev.

For me personally, I've been working with AI since ChatGPT 3.5 in 2022. When I first used it, I asked it to write a poem where every word began with the letter 'S', and it did such a good job I literally had to step outside, catch my breath, and tell my wife I felt like I had just communicated with an alien intelligence.

As a programmer, I knew right then how this goes: these tools don't get worse over time. They get completely optimized. I began to realize that code is basically just raw material now, like wood. It was a hard pill to swallow because I've built my life around writing it!

But I've come to accept that the art isn't in banging out code as much anymore; the art is in the architecture, the engineering, and the final sound. The world doesn't care about how hard the typing was; it only cares about the value and fidelity of the final product. That's what I'm trying to deliver here.

[idoru97214]

If someone is selling a product as a "painstaking recreation" of "classic hardware" and you then learn they don't even own said hardware / don't have access to it / the hardware has no part in the development process beyond after-the-fact beta testing -- Yes, that is *shocking*. And highly dubious. They verify it sounds accurate based on <checks notes> sending audio samples to two (2!) beta testers that own the hardware? Umm....

What is even more shocking is the people in this thread who read the above facts and reply with "I don't get it, what's the problem?" or worse, denigrate those of us who see this as the Huge Red Flag it absolutely is.

Consider yourself officially denigrated. Not just for your silly requirements put on the people who try to make tools for you (I would bet you have not even used the demo), but for your OTT hysterical use of caps in posting your pearl clutching outrage.

[pekbro]

I dunno, what he said in that forum seemed pretty clear to me.

To me too - he's got the required expertise and put a huge amount of time&work into it and still only managed to suceed thanks to the help of Ai which solved some tedious bulk of coding for him. Without the Ai this project wouldn't have been possible in the first place (i.e not without a big team so it would have taken a big company such as UAD instead and even they most likely couldn't afford to allocate that much manpower to such a niche-product.)

I.e.: no Ai no Ensoniq DP/4 emu, hence no such emu until now.

We have to take his word for it because: why would he be so honest&open about using Ai but then be disingenious in regards to the rest his development process? Makes absolutely zero sense.

Which is why all of this anti-Ai nay-saying bullcrap in this thread is highly illogical and as such extremely annoying.

Some stuff he said doesn't make sense to me. So I am skeptical, maybe you are not. That is your prerogative. I'm not saying anyone should not buy into it. As for me, I will wait for Savant or someone similar to make something like this. If they don't that's fine too, tbh I was mostly interested in the reverbs. I was not moved to purchase the one I tried though.

I should add some respectable opinions (imo) have been very positive towards this.

[zerocrossing]

I don't understand the policy of some developers. It's far too expensive, considering that we'll soon have authentic emulation for free (The Usual Suspects project).
75 dollars is very expensive. I'd love to support the developer, but not at that exorbitant price.

How much would you pay to go out to dinner and a movie with a date?

[mholloway]

If someone is selling a product as a "painstaking recreation" of "classic hardware" and you then learn they don't even own said hardware / don't have access to it / the hardware has no part in the development process beyond after-the-fact beta testing -- Yes, that is *shocking*. And highly dubious. They verify it sounds accurate based on <checks notes> sending audio samples to two (2!) beta testers that own the hardware? Umm....

What is even more shocking is the people in this thread who read the above facts and reply with "I don't get it, what's the problem?" or worse, denigrate those of us who see this as the Huge Red Flag it absolutely is.

Consider yourself officially denigrated. Not just for your silly requirements put on the people who try to make tools for you (I would bet you have not even used the demo), but for your OTT hysterical use of caps in posting your pearl clutching outrage.

You seem dramatically more "outraged" than my original post that you've quoted, tbh. Hit a nerve, did I? You claim I'm "OTT hysterical" because I typed, <checks notes>, "Huge Red Flag" ? If that's hysteria, I don't know how you survive 5 minutes of KVR....

[DrGonzo]

The world doesn't care about how hard the typing was; it only cares about the value and fidelity of the final product. That's what I'm trying to deliver here.

May I offer a complimentary view on this matter? As much as you are correct with the above statement, there is a critical omission that everybody seems to forget when talking about art and AI.

Why does the artist make art? Do you make art because of your audience or do you make it because it's a place you love to be in?

Watching ChatGTP making music gear related humorous Haikus is hilariously entertaining in the same way as it is entertaining to watch Pewdiepie play Minecraft.

Just focusing on the end result is missing the point of the artist making art. It's like, just because you can take the car to point B, and the world indeed doesn't care about how you got to point B. But you do. And isn't that the point of art? Or anything really?

/C

[DCrown]

Hi everyone, John from Temecula DSP here. ...

But I've come to accept that the art isn't in banging out code as much anymore; the art is in the architecture, the engineering, and the final sound. The world doesn't care about how hard the typing was; it only cares about the value and fidelity of the final product. That's what I'm trying to deliver here.

I don't agree at all. There are AI threads here and discussions all over the Internet that show that there are people who stay away from everything that is AI related.
You asked Chatgpt to write a song where every word starts with letter S and what do you expect now? To admire your achievement or result?
Neither it was your result or your creation!
I call it fake, it is fake art.
I am not sure whether I did understand correctly, the plugin was created mainly by AI? And you charge money for this product, I mean 75 USD?

I appreciate you are honest,
but I won't ever support something or someone who produces tools or music by using ai.
It is worse not to be honest, especially when it is about a released song if a song is not labeled AI.

[Seafire Mk2]

I don't understand the policy of some developers. It's far too expensive, considering that we'll soon have authentic emulation for free (The Usual Suspects project).
75 dollars is very expensive. I'd love to support the developer, but not at that exorbitant price.

Everything is expensive if you are poor.

[idoru97214]

People's ignorance and fear around AI and lack of understanding about what it is actually really does get my dander up.

This thread is very annoying.

[Seafire Mk2]

I appreciate you are honest,
but I won't ever support something or someone who produces tools or music by using ai.

You're assuming every dev or artist is open about such things. You probably already have...

What about a dev who copies a minimoog or Jupiter 8? They didn't invent it, it's not original, it's a copy. It's not all their work... how far do you want to go?

Anyway, this is way OT, and nothing to do with the work this dev is doing.

Good luck to him, ignore the moaners here, they will never be a customer anyway, unless it's free.

[DCrown]

no, not even for free, either you have principles or not. I indeed prefer synths who are not an emu like Avenger, Xpand2, Sylenth1, CA Sines, Zebra, Vacuum Pro or softsynths by the original producer like Korg native, Waldorf etc
I have to correct you, it has to do with what the dev let ai do! His Chatgpt example speaks for itself.

[Seafire Mk2]

All their code is 100% original and not based on any work by anyone else ever....

You live in a dream world

[Seafire Mk2]

no, not even for free, either you have principles or not.

Why are you in this thread then? You have no interest except to put down the dev

What a class act you are