POLL -Plugins for WinXP -11, Mac, Linux

[3lu5iv3]

Linux is a great OS but for music production it kinda sucks... i know we have Yabridge and Wine but
these don't offer 100% plugin compatibility. if Linux had support for native VST3 and CLAP support,
a huge amount of people might switch to Linux IMO.

Linux does have support for VST3 and CLAP – but in native Linux format.
i guess you want 100% compatibility with plugins from another OS, i.e. Windoze – but it doesn't work like that, not even supposed to.
it's not Linux fault that software vendors don't offer Linux builds of their software even when totally possible (Ableton Push runs Linux inside).

Yeah it's not Linux's fault.

[audiojunkie]

Linux is a great OS but for music production it kinda sucks... i know we have Yabridge and Wine but
these don't offer 100% plugin compatibility. if Linux had support for native VST3 and CLAP support,
a huge amount of people might switch to Linux IMO.

Hoping, I am not repeating myself but here we go.

https://linuxdaw.org

whoa, 900?
Thank u so much!!!

And that site doesn’t list all of them. I don’t think any one site does. The key is to find Linux native alternatives to what you used in Windows. Here’s what KVR has in its list:

https://www.kvraudio.com/plugins/the-ne ... gins/linux

And here’s another list:

https://linuxmusic.rocks/

And here’s a list with some LV2 plugins. There’s much more than this list, but one of the big lists has gone off line:

https://lv2plug.in/pages/projects.html

And here’s another:

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxaudio/com ... read_2022/

Here’s a nice big list:

https://github.com/nodiscc/awesome-linuxaudio

[3lu5iv3]

Linux is a great OS but for music production it kinda sucks... i know we have Yabridge and Wine but
these don't offer 100% plugin compatibility. if Linux had support for native VST3 and CLAP support,
a huge amount of people might switch to Linux IMO.

Hoping, I am not repeating myself but here we go.

https://linuxdaw.org

whoa, 900?
Thank u so much!!!

And that site doesn’t list all of them. I don’t think any one site does. The key is to find Linux native alternatives to what you used in Windows. Here’s what KVR has in its list:

https://www.kvraudio.com/plugins/the-ne ... gins/linux

And here’s another list:

https://linuxmusic.rocks/

And here’s a list with some LV2 plugins. There’s much more than this list, but one of the big lists has gone off line:

https://lv2plug.in/pages/projects.html

And here’s another:

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxaudio/com ... read_2022/

You’ll see a lot of repeats, but some different ones too:

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxaudio/com ... read_2022/

[El°HYM]

Oh wow, what has me done. lol

Hoping, I am not repeating myself but here we go.

https://linuxdaw.org

The Linux plugin market is tiny, I wrote like 5% of the plugins on that page.

Thank you for chiming in brother, I always recommend Waveform as a modern, polished alternative for the use with Linux, especially for the more inexperienced user. While not using it myself, it is indeed a superb DAW and often flying under the radar for many. Using only 5% of that list on my Linux machine too, so totally agree with you that 45 plugins is more than enough. Keep up the good work!

How can an OS that is trying to shove down updates on you 24/7 can even be considered as a professional choice for music production? Windows wants you to be online all the time, even better logged into your account and their shop, so they can offer you the things you need. It is a consumer operating system telling you what to do, what to think and what to buy. On Mac this becomes a little more posh and elegant, yet also 'offering' you forced updates all day long. With Linux all you will get is a notification, which then includes info about which updates are security related. So now you become a user with absolute sovereignty over what your system will or can do. Now tell me, which is the very best OS for music production in these days.

So have a second machine that isn't online for your music production, the problem is solved sir.

Thanks mate, I do have a second Windows machine connected to the Internet running Live 12 and other stuff. It does come in handy for C/R or just plugins which need a connection once in a while.

Credibility

Meaning?

I read the Epstein files yesterday and have to agree that especially Bill Gates deosnt seem that credible at all. With Epstein being part of the Zodiac Club, this makes me wonder if there are any connections to John Todd, who was the former manager of Zodiac Productions, which owned RCA records, Columbia Records, and MOTOWN Records. I wonder if this is still being done to Music in more recent days, no wonder people are losing their minds over it.

How can an OS that is trying to shove down updates on you 24/7 can even be considered as a professional choice for music production? Windows wants you to be online all the time, even better logged into your account and their shop, so they can offer you the things you need. It is a consumer operating system telling you what to do, what to think and what to buy.

Weirdly I have been using Windows in music production since the 1990s and I am currently running Windows 11 on my four main studio PCs, and my two Gigging machines and I have never experienced what you are suggesting

On my experimental machines I am running the current Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 26220.7961 (Beta Channel) that came out yesterday and I also don't experience what you are suggesting

I can also dual boot into Linux on a few of my machines including my experimental machine and absolutely despise using it for Music Production

Now tell me, which is the very best OS for music production in these days.

That's easy Windows 11 hands down. I have to hear any compelling reasons for anyone as to why Linux would be superior, all I hear is ignorant statements about problems with Windows that don't exist

Thank you for kindly agreeing that Linux is the most superior OS of them all. There are some flaws and quirks, yet starting up your system in a few seconds and being able to run smoothly without all that bloating ware inside is a big fat plus. Why would you want all of that crap on your system anyway?

Linux is a great OS but for music production it kinda sucks... i know we have Yabridge and Wine but
these don't offer 100% plugin compatibility. if Linux had support for native VST3 and CLAP support,
a huge amount of people might switch to Linux IMO.

Hoping, I am not repeating myself but here we go.

https://linuxdaw.org

whoa, 900?
Thank u so much!!!

Welcome.

[DCrown]

Windows? What problems?
I really don't care whether Bill Gates can sing or not or whether he plays an instrument, whereas Steve Jobs was known to be a good dancer.



Well, Bill Gates good dancer, as well


Both together

[IvyBirds]

Thank you for kindly agreeing that Linux is the most superior OS of them all. There are some flaws and quirks, yet starting up your system in a few seconds and being able to run smoothly without all that bloating ware inside is a big fat plus. Why would you want all of that crap on your system anyway?

Only I don't agree with that, and you are clearly lying

Why do the Linux cheerleaders always have to lie to "prove" how superior Linux is? Why do they always have to trash Windows with lies and half truths

Why can't Linux users ever give an actual compelling reason to use it other than by lying about non existent issues that Windows supposedly has?

So here is my challenge to you. Without lying or even mentioning any other computer Operating System besides Linux give some actual compelling reasons why someone should go Linux for music production. If you want people to go Linux awesome give us some compelling reasons to do so beyond just saying go Linux because Microsoft and/or Apple sucks

If you want I will be happy to list some compelling reasons why people should use Windows 11 for Music Production

[audiojunkie]

Thank you for kindly agreeing that Linux is the most superior OS of them all. There are some flaws and quirks, yet starting up your system in a few seconds and being able to run smoothly without all that bloating ware inside is a big fat plus. Why would you want all of that crap on your system anyway?

Only I don't agree with that, and you are clearly lying

Why do the Linux cheerleaders always have to lie to "prove" how superior Linux is? Why do they always have to trash Windows with lies and half truths

Why can't Linux users ever give an actual compelling reason to use it other than by lying about non existent issues that Windows supposedly has?

So here is my challenge to you. Without lying or even mentioning any other computer Operating System besides Linux give some actual compelling reasons why someone should go Linux for music production. If you want people to go Linux awesome give us some compelling reasons to do so beyond just saying go Linux because Microsoft and/or Apple sucks

If you want I will be happy to list some compelling reasons why people should use Windows 11 for Music Production

I’m an advocate for Linux. I work in IT, supporting Windows, but I use Linux at home by preference. I absolutely hate when people who don’t know what they are talking about put Linux down, by repeating old stories of the past. I will often vocally defend Linux against people’s ignorance and lack of knowledge.

I say all of this as a preface, because what I’m about to say will be controversial to some. Having used all major OSes (and several minor OSes as well), I feel I can confidently say (and back up what I say), that all three major OSes are, in general, great. They are all fairly solid and problem-free (except when they’re not ).

The main differences between them all largely come down to the ideology and preferences of the user. They all have their pros and cons, of course. But they all pretty much get the job done, and do it well.

MacOS intentionally keeps things incredibly simple, and their walled garden ecosystem keeps the quality high. However, you pay dearly for the privilege through much higher costs than the other OSes (higher hardware costs, that is), through planned obsolescence, and less freedom from OS flexibility and choice. This is not a bad thing at all. In fact, there are people that find that this is exactly what they want, and they are willing to pay the price.

Windows, on the other hand is the industry standard, jack of all trades OS. It provides much more flexibility and customization over MacOS, and they are less expensive as well, for now. There is plenty of software. It all runs well, for the most part. However, whereas Apple’s chief monetization is through the sales of their hardware, Microsoft has been embracing the subscription model. They have been also embracing the idea of turning Windows into an agentic OS—which they’ve recently backtracked on to some extent, due to the backlash from privacy advocates. But over all, it is a solid operating system.

Linux has in the Last several years, accomplished several goals that were years in the making that have made things much more accessible and easy to use. Specifically, when referring to music production, just some of these improvements include the mainlining of the realtime patches into the default kernel, the consolidation of the audio servers with Pipewire, the coming of host/plugin software, such as Reaper, Bitwig, etc., and the natively supported VST3, CLAP, and LV2 plugin types. Many more improvements have come along as well—such as the development of GUI front ends to software that used to require being run from the commandline, next generation cloud-native technologies (technologies that developed first in cloud network usage that were then integrated into the core of atomic and immutable Linux OSes, namely, containerization and sandboxing). These technologies have largely done away with the problems that Linux had in the past. For the last several years, Linux has stood and performed as equals with Windows and MacOS in cross platform compatibility. Furthermore, plugin frameworks and libraries largely support all three major OSes these days, as well, so it is much easier than in the past to provide audio plugins and programs for Linux.

So, All three OSes are great for music production these days. But what makes a person choose Linux over Windows and MacOS? There is a learning curve that goes with Linux—it does take more learning to understand and use Linux, so that not the reason.

The reason comes down to largely being ideological. There is much more freedom for Linux users. Some people may not find this appealing. Linux is clearly not for these people. There is little to no telemetry built into Linux. This is appealing to the privacy conscious. You have multiple desktop environments available to you with linux. Linux can look and act like Windows and Macs, which can be appealing to some users. Linux also has desktop environments that are unique to Linux and no other OS. Linux can essentially function in such a customized way that it can behave in whatever way a user wants it to behave. Also, unlike Windows or MacOS, it can be customized to run more lightly and efficiently than any other OS. This appeals to those who value performance. There is a version of Linux that can fit within a 50Mb folder. It even comes with a basic GUI.

Added to this is the ideological idea that the OS is open source and provided at no cost. Anyone with coding knowledge can improve, customize, or change to code to be whatever they want.

So, to sum things up, I am not saying that Linux is a better os. It is a different OS that is better for me. And just as MacOS users have reasons for why they prefer MacOS, and the same with Windows users, there are compelling reasons that Linux users prefer Linux.

For me personally, I like the freedom (both libre and gratis), the flexibility, the efficiency, and the privacy that Linux provides for me. I like that there is no planned obsolescence of the hardware I use. I like that I have sufficient high quality plugins of the various needed types for what I want to create. I like that I have been able to have plugins that use only serial or keyfile copy protection. I have my plugins and their authorization backed up and safe, regardless of whether a company goes out of business or discontinues the product.

So, in the end, each person must ask themselves what do they want out of their experience. Linux is definitely not for everyone. It is not the best OS (although we Linux users like to believe it is). It is simply the best for us.

[El°HYM]

^This!

[IvyBirds]

^This!

But you don't agree with that. That directly contradicts your previous statements like

How can an OS that is trying to shove down updates on you 24/7 can even be considered as a professional choice for music production? Windows wants you to be online all the time, even better logged into your account and their shop, so they can offer you the things you need. It is a consumer operating system telling you what to do, what to think and what to buy.

So which is it? It Windows equal to Linux or is it a joke that a professional would never touch?

[BBFG#]

An OS should be transparent and customizable. Ignoring what an OS is doing with the system that doesn't meet those basics doesn't make it transparent. It makes the user ignorant. However "blissfully" they choose to make it. And if over half of our system is working for them, we're being cheated.

[IvyBirds]

So, All three OSes are great for music production these days.

The reason comes down to largely being ideological. There is much more freedom for Linux users.

I agree it's personal and ideological. For me for music production Linux is way to limiting and Windows offers me the freedom to do music the way I want to because many of the software tools I need are not available on Linux. Could I mess around with Wine or Yabridge? Sure but honestly I just don't see the compelling reason to and my first hand experience with those tools was less than satisfactory

I build computers as a hobby I have the freedom to build pretty much anything I want and it will run Windows and Linux. I know Linux rather well one of my builds has three hard drives one for Windows 11, one for Linux, and a third to share files between the two, I also have multiple thumb drives with different Linux Distros installed that I like to experiment with

[IvyBirds]

An OS should be transparent and customizable. Ignoring what an OS is doing with the system that doesn't meet those basics doesn't make it transparent. It makes the user ignorant. However "blissfully" they choose to make it. And if over half of our system is working for them, we're being cheated.

An OS you are using for professional music production should run the software you need for the production you want to do natively

If it doesn't do that it's a fail

[BBFG#]

An OS should be transparent and customizable. Ignoring what an OS is doing with the system that doesn't meet those basics doesn't make it transparent. It makes the user ignorant. However "blissfully" they choose to make it. And if over half of our system is working for them, we're being cheated.

An OS you are using for professional music production should run the software you need for the production you want to do natively

If it doesn't do that it's a fail

That's part of being customizable.

[dellboy]

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[audiojunkie]

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