POLL -Plugins for WinXP -11, Mac, Linux

[dellboy]

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[El°HYM]

A lot of native Linux plugins are actually tested on Ubuntu/Studio, maybe then followed by Mint. It is pretty easy to install all the audio related stuff from Studio on any Distribution. This is all working pretty flawless and easy to set up. There is also no reason to dump your Windows or Mac for anything, what a childish argument to even come up with. Use Linux on an old machine and be surprised how snappy it will suddenly run, yes way superior to Windows in comparison. Then there are more than enough native plugins already available, with many more to come as its super easy to release a Linux version, especially for all the JUCE developers. Basically a click away, so ignoring this is more a sign of laziness, or just pure ignorance.

[legendCNCD]

Maybe even the ones using JUCE do not want to deal with so niche? The support must be nightmarish I'd think..

[El°HYM]

A lot of developers just offer their Linux builds as is, which means beta testing, also updates, yet no direct support as with Windows for example. I would say, if someone already managed to install Linux and Studio and moved their VST's into the right place, chances are good that everything will work just fine. My guess is that most support tickets are 'solved' as user issues, or just wrong settings in the OS; while as a Linux user you will have to get familiar your system anyways. So Linux might not be perfect for everyone, especially not the happy petted consumerist.

[vurt]

Oh wow, what has me done. lol

Hoping, I am not repeating myself but here we go.

https://linuxdaw.org

The Linux plugin market is tiny, I wrote like 5% of the plugins on that page.

Thank you for chiming in brother, I always recommend Waveform as a modern, polished alternative for the use with Linux, especially for the more inexperienced user. While not using it myself, it is indeed a superb DAW and often flying under the radar for many. Using only 5% of that list on my Linux machine too, so totally agree with you that 45 plugins is more than enough. Keep up the good work!

How can an OS that is trying to shove down updates on you 24/7 can even be considered as a professional choice for music production? Windows wants you to be online all the time, even better logged into your account and their shop, so they can offer you the things you need. It is a consumer operating system telling you what to do, what to think and what to buy. On Mac this becomes a little more posh and elegant, yet also 'offering' you forced updates all day long. With Linux all you will get is a notification, which then includes info about which updates are security related. So now you become a user with absolute sovereignty over what your system will or can do. Now tell me, which is the very best OS for music production in these days.

So have a second machine that isn't online for your music production, the problem is solved sir.

Thanks mate, I do have a second Windows machine connected to the Internet running Live 12 and other stuff. It does come in handy for C/R or just plugins which need a connection once in a while.

Credibility

Meaning?

I read the Epstein files yesterday and have to agree that especially Bill Gates deosnt seem that credible at all. With Epstein being part of the Zodiac Club, this makes me wonder if there are any connections to John Todd, who was the former manager of Zodiac Productions, which owned RCA records, Columbia Records, and MOTOWN Records. I wonder if this is still being done to Music in more recent days, no wonder people are losing their minds over it.

How can an OS that is trying to shove down updates on you 24/7 can even be considered as a professional choice for music production? Windows wants you to be online all the time, even better logged into your account and their shop, so they can offer you the things you need. It is a consumer operating system telling you what to do, what to think and what to buy.

Weirdly I have been using Windows in music production since the 1990s and I am currently running Windows 11 on my four main studio PCs, and my two Gigging machines and I have never experienced what you are suggesting

On my experimental machines I am running the current Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 26220.7961 (Beta Channel) that came out yesterday and I also don't experience what you are suggesting

I can also dual boot into Linux on a few of my machines including my experimental machine and absolutely despise using it for Music Production

Now tell me, which is the very best OS for music production in these days.

That's easy Windows 11 hands down. I have to hear any compelling reasons for anyone as to why Linux would be superior, all I hear is ignorant statements about problems with Windows that don't exist

Thank you for kindly agreeing that Linux is the most superior OS of them all. There are some flaws and quirks, yet starting up your system in a few seconds and being able to run smoothly without all that bloating ware inside is a big fat plus. Why would you want all of that crap on your system anyway?

Linux is a great OS but for music production it kinda sucks... i know we have Yabridge and Wine but
these don't offer 100% plugin compatibility. if Linux had support for native VST3 and CLAP support,
a huge amount of people might switch to Linux IMO.

Hoping, I am not repeating myself but here we go.

https://linuxdaw.org

whoa, 900?
Thank u so much!!!

Welcome.

john todd? the one who testified that witches would incant over master tapes?

[IvyBirds]

A lot of developers just offer their Linux builds as is, which means beta testing, also updates, yet no direct support as with Windows for example. I would say, if someone already managed to install Linux and Studio and moved their VST's into the right place, chances are good that everything will work just fine. My guess is that most support tickets are 'solved' as user issues, or just wrong settings in the OS; while as a Linux user you will have to get familiar your system anyways. So Linux might not be perfect for everyone, especially not the happy petted consumerist.

So since I want to run Cubase, Abelton, HALion7 Omnisphere, Phase Plant, UVI Falcon, Pigments, Arturia V Collection, Kontact, Absynth, Serum 2, and many more software titles natively in my OS which I can't do with Linux, does that make me a heavily petted consumerist?

I don't think so, I would suggest it makes me a professional gigging musician who knows what tools to use to achieve what I want to make a living, and desires to do so in the most efficient way

But once again the Pro Linux crowd is reduced to cheap insults to support their operating system choice, rather than just share why someone would want to give up natively running Cubase, Abelton, HALion7 Omnisphere, Phase Plant, UVI Falcon, Pigments, Arturia V Collection, Kontact, Absynth, Serum 2, and many more software titles natively in the OS without jumping through hoops if you can at all

[IvyBirds]

Then there are more than enough native plugins already available, with many more to come as its super easy to release a Linux version, especially for all the JUCE developers. Basically a click away, so ignoring this is more a sign of laziness, or just pure ignorance.

Cool what native Linux alternatives are there for Kontact, HALion7, Omnisphere 3, , and UVI Falcon? Must be pure ignorance on my part to be unaware of what Linux based options exist that also have the sample libraries and factory content those have

If you are looking for freeware synth #89 that can run a sawtooth wave through a resonating filter awesome there are plenty of those on Linux, but if you want something deeper than that where do you go?

[El°HYM]

Oh wow, what has me done. lol

Hoping, I am not repeating myself but here we go.

https://linuxdaw.org

The Linux plugin market is tiny, I wrote like 5% of the plugins on that page.

Thank you for chiming in brother, I always recommend Waveform as a modern, polished alternative for the use with Linux, especially for the more inexperienced user. While not using it myself, it is indeed a superb DAW and often flying under the radar for many. Using only 5% of that list on my Linux machine too, so totally agree with you that 45 plugins is more than enough. Keep up the good work!

How can an OS that is trying to shove down updates on you 24/7 can even be considered as a professional choice for music production? Windows wants you to be online all the time, even better logged into your account and their shop, so they can offer you the things you need. It is a consumer operating system telling you what to do, what to think and what to buy. On Mac this becomes a little more posh and elegant, yet also 'offering' you forced updates all day long. With Linux all you will get is a notification, which then includes info about which updates are security related. So now you become a user with absolute sovereignty over what your system will or can do. Now tell me, which is the very best OS for music production in these days.

So have a second machine that isn't online for your music production, the problem is solved sir.

Thanks mate, I do have a second Windows machine connected to the Internet running Live 12 and other stuff. It does come in handy for C/R or just plugins which need a connection once in a while.

Credibility

Meaning?

I read the Epstein files yesterday and have to agree that especially Bill Gates deosnt seem that credible at all. With Epstein being part of the Zodiac Club, this makes me wonder if there are any connections to John Todd, who was the former manager of Zodiac Productions, which owned RCA records, Columbia Records, and MOTOWN Records. I wonder if this is still being done to Music in more recent days, no wonder people are losing their minds over it.

How can an OS that is trying to shove down updates on you 24/7 can even be considered as a professional choice for music production? Windows wants you to be online all the time, even better logged into your account and their shop, so they can offer you the things you need. It is a consumer operating system telling you what to do, what to think and what to buy.

Weirdly I have been using Windows in music production since the 1990s and I am currently running Windows 11 on my four main studio PCs, and my two Gigging machines and I have never experienced what you are suggesting

On my experimental machines I am running the current Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 26220.7961 (Beta Channel) that came out yesterday and I also don't experience what you are suggesting

I can also dual boot into Linux on a few of my machines including my experimental machine and absolutely despise using it for Music Production

Now tell me, which is the very best OS for music production in these days.

That's easy Windows 11 hands down. I have to hear any compelling reasons for anyone as to why Linux would be superior, all I hear is ignorant statements about problems with Windows that don't exist

Thank you for kindly agreeing that Linux is the most superior OS of them all. There are some flaws and quirks, yet starting up your system in a few seconds and being able to run smoothly without all that bloating ware inside is a big fat plus. Why would you want all of that crap on your system anyway?

Linux is a great OS but for music production it kinda sucks... i know we have Yabridge and Wine but
these don't offer 100% plugin compatibility. if Linux had support for native VST3 and CLAP support,
a huge amount of people might switch to Linux IMO.

Hoping, I am not repeating myself but here we go.

https://linuxdaw.org

whoa, 900?
Thank u so much!!!

Welcome.

john todd? the one who testified that witches would incant over master tapes?

Yupp, the famous Witch Lance Collins, who matter of fact was deeply into Tapes.

[audiojunkie]

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If you are looking for freeware synth #89 that can run a sawtooth wave through a resonating filter awesome there are plenty of those on Linux, but if you want something deeper than that where do you go?

Zebra 3 is a tiny bit deeper than freeware synth #89.

Seriously, there are quite a lot of great plugins for Linux. However, if you have to have certain plugins from the Windows side of things, and if you are unwilling to accept alternatives (or if alternatives for what you need don't exist), there really isn't much to say, other than stick with Windows.

I'm lucky, because most everything that I need exists for Linux. That won't be the same for everyone.

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In case anyone is curious, I have the following:

This is my core set of linux native instrument plugins that I have (and plan to buy). They cover all of my sonic bases, and I don’t have to worry about losing them. I try to have at least one additional back up synth for each type. These plugins are either Open Source, Freeware, or Payware with serial number or keyfile copy protection::

Sample-based - Shortcircuit-XT, Sforzando, Decent Sampler, Fluida, Sfizz-UI, Linux Sampler,
Subtractive/Analog modeled - Repro, Diva, June, Res-09, Xhip, Charlatan, Tyrell N6, Tal-Noisemaker, Nils’ K1v, OB-Xf
Wavetable - Hive 2, Vaporizer 2, Socalabs - Wavetable
FM - Pivot, Chipsynth OPS7, Dexed
Granular - Quanta 2, gRainbow, Ewan Bristow - Halica,
Hybrids (Multiple synthesis types, layers, etc) - Zebra 3, Surge-XT, Odin2
Modular - ACE, Cardinal, Bazille
Drum/Percussion (Sampling/Synthesis) - Apisonic Audio Speedrum 2, Geonkick, MT Power Drumkit 2, Drumlabooh, SmackBox V2
Utilities - Ildaeil (Mini Plugin host / format adapter), Element (Plugin Chainer), HY-Slicer 2
Any Others (Physical Modeling/additive/spectral synthesis, Vector, Formant, or anything else I want to add…etc, etc: hal0zero0/openwurli, Tiagolr - Ripplerx,

I also have these challenge / response linux native plugins: TX16Wx, TAL-Sampler, Bliss Sampler, TAL-Drum

And finally, I have some Windows apps for a few things that I couldn't find solutions for (or that I really wanted): Blue Cat Audio Patchbay, Blue Cat Connector, Musiclab’s RealGMS, Musiclab’s RealStrat, Musiclab’s RealLPC, Pfundstein Audio Plugins - Bass Guitars, SynthMaster 3, KarmaFX Synth 2, VSTSynthFont64 v3.x, Zampler RX, Sugar Bytes Guitarist, XotoPad, Awave Studio 12.9, Bjorn Bojahr’s tools (Session2Wav, EndlessWav, Bjorn’s Sample Mapper, EXS2SFZ, WizCalc), Wavosaur, TX2SFZ (TX16Wx to SFZ), SfzEd, Sonic Projects — OP-X Pro II, Full Bucket Music plugins, PG-8X, SQ-8L, Synth1

[BBFG#]

Things to consider...

Why users hate Windows 11:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-peopl ... indows-11/

Turning off Windows Telemetry:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft ... telemetry/

Microsoft has lost its way:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft ... t-its-way/

Replacing Windows with Linux:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-re ... ith-linux/

It's not about insulting Windows. It's more about not accepting Microsoft's insults of us.

[IvyBirds]

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If you are looking for freeware synth #89 that can run a sawtooth wave through a resonating filter awesome there are plenty of those on Linux, but if you want something deeper than that where do you go?

Zebra 3 is a tiny bit deeper than freeware synth #89.

Sure but I can also run Zebra 3 inside of Windows alongside on HALion7, Falcon, Omnisphere 3, Arturia V Collection, Kontact Pigments, and many more all hosted inside of Cubase, Abelton, or Gig Performer all things I can't do in Linux because they don't run natively

The sample libraries alone in those non native Linux plugins is enough to keep people away from Linux

[Zeisner]

So Linux might not be perfect for everyone, especially not the happy petted consumerist.

Or those who need a reliable stable system to work with...

[audiojunkie]

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If you are looking for freeware synth #89 that can run a sawtooth wave through a resonating filter awesome there are plenty of those on Linux, but if you want something deeper than that where do you go?

Zebra 3 is a tiny bit deeper than freeware synth #89.

Sure but I can also run Zebra 3 inside of Windows alongside on HALion7, Falcon, Omnisphere 3, Arturia V Collection, Kontact Pigments, and many more all hosted inside of Cubase, Abelton, or Gig Performer all things I can't do in Linux because they don't run natively

The sample libraries alone in those non native Linux plugins is enough to keep people away from Linux

I don't disagree with you. For those who must have certain applications or deeply sampled libraries, Linux just isn't ready for them yet. However, my point is that for those of us who have the tools we need/want, Linux works as well as Windows or MacOS, and has the benefits that I mentioned previously. Linux is not the solution for everybody yet, but it keeps getting better and better.

Personally, I believe the lack of access to deeply sampled instrument libraries is the biggest show stopper for those who would like to try to use Linux. Once that problem is solved, there will be little reason for people to not use Linux, other than lack of desire, or not having specific plugins from the Windows/MacOS world.

[audiojunkie]

Things to consider...

Why users hate Windows 11:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-peopl ... indows-11/

Turning off Windows Telemetry:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft ... telemetry/

Microsoft has lost its way:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft ... t-its-way/

Replacing Windows with Linux:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-re ... ith-linux/

It's not about insulting Windows. It's more about not accepting Microsoft's insults of us.

A couple of these articles have some really good points, and they explain some of the biggest reasons why I don't use Windows.

[El°HYM]

Even Epstein didnt want to use Windows and preferred mac OS, which should tell you something.