Starting a community for coders&non-coders/AI-assisted plugin development

[agharta]

My reaction has nothing to do with the AI slop deluge on Spotify. It has to do with the total lack of consideration regarding our environment, or ecology, and our economics, the complete disrespect for humanity, and the moral principles that you have to lack in order to be a proponent of AI.

I am concerned about the overall environmental impact of AI, but have no idea what the impact is for something like vibe coding. 
So I don't have an opinion on the environmental impact of this as a hobby versus other hobbies. 
I don't have a moral objection in general against this hobby. 

[ksandvik]

I would not personally trust plugins written vibe-codingly by non-programmer talent, memory leaks, odd crashes, security issues et rest et rest. But good luck!

[funky lime]

I am concerned about the overall environmental impact of AI, but have no idea what the impact is for something like vibe coding. 
So I don't have an opinion on the environmental impact of this as a hobby versus other hobbies. 
I don't have a moral objection in general against this hobby. 

I am concerned about the Torment Nexus. Trust me.

But... when I throw puppies into the Torment Nexus, I have no idea how much torment it causes the puppies. Really, who can say? Anyway it's not like I'm throwing kittens in there too.

Either way, I don't have a moral objection in general against the Torment Nexus. I only throw puppies into it occasionally for fun on the weekends. You know, as a "f**k you" to the big corporations.

[Teksonik]

Make a petition on Change.org for the world to stop.

I don't want to see the world stop, I want to see the suicide of the industry stop. If A.I. drives actual developers with talent to leave the industry then we'll be left with nothing but talentless hacks who need A.I. to wipe their bottoms for them. You'd understand that fact if you were more focused on the long game than short term self aggrandizement.

I really wonder what motivates people to devalue and fight things they don't understand.

I really wonder why people don't understand the implications of driving human talent from the industry and replacing it with dependence on a soulless machine. I understand A.I. perfectly and I know the impact it can and will have on humanity in the Arts.

You're cutting your own throats and aren't smart enough to realize that fact. One day there will be no need for plugins because there will be no need for humans to make music. That day may be closer than anyone of us wishes to admit.

Anyway I've made my position crystal clear. I can't fight the myopia of those who refuse to think things through and care nothing about the industry they've chosen to participate in for their artistic endeavors. Screw A.I. and screw anyone who supports it in any form for the Arts.

[ThoughtExperiment]

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Why do people always assume that opposition to AI is due to being ignorant bumpkins? tbf, I assume that people who are pro AI are morally bankrupt and massively selfish horrible people.

[oobesan]

My reaction has nothing to do with the AI slop deluge on Spotify. It has to do with the total lack of consideration regarding our environment, or ecology, and our economics, the complete disrespect for humanity, and the moral principles that you have to lack in order to be a proponent of AI.

I am concerned about the overall environmental impact of AI, but have no idea what the impact is for something like vibe coding. 
So I don't have an opinion on the environmental impact of this as a hobby versus other hobbies. 
I don't have a moral objection in general against this hobby. 

You are intentionally buying your head in the sand and ignoring the truth staring you and everyone else in the face about the consequences of embracing this technology. It’s the first time in history that a new technology promises to not only destroy our physical world, but humanity at the same time. We could be using AI to cure disease and discover new physics. Instead, thoughtless and selfish idiots are vibe coding, creating pathetic AI girlfriends, making internet memes that destroy reality, and generating AI muzak. “But bro, you’re gonna get left behind if you fight it!” Were all going to get left behind, and it will be your fault.

[Neon Breath]

When see or hear something like “I’ve used AI to do the work even if I have zero idea what I’m doing!” all I can think of is this

[agharta]

You are intentionally buying your head in the sand and ignoring the truth staring you and everyone else in the face about the consequences of embracing this technology.  

This is a site about music so I choose to only talk about AI in that context. 
If I wanted a deeper discussion about the wider context of AI, I would go elsewhere. 

[legendCNCD]

I would not personally trust plugins written vibe-codingly by non-programmer talent, memory leaks, odd crashes, security issues et rest et rest. But good luck!

[Cuauhtli]

You wake up in the morning
Get something for the pot
Wonder why the sun makes the rocks feel hot
Draw on the walls
Eat, get laid
Back in the good old days

Then some damn fool invents the wheel... - Roger Waters

[foosnark]

Mods, can this thread get moved to the AI subforum?

[CrystalWizard]

Belongs in AI Forum

Personally i'd prefer to buy from the same huge 3-4 person corporations i support now.
So that's a hell no.

[HAL76]

Make a petition on Change.org for the world to stop.

I don't want to see the world stop, I want to see the suicide of the industry stop. If A.I. drives actual developers with talent to leave the industry then we'll be left with nothing but talentless hacks who need A.I. to wipe their bottoms for them. You'd understand that fact if you were more focused on the long game than short term self aggrandizement.

I really wonder what motivates people to devalue and fight things they don't understand.

I really wonder why people don't understand the implications of driving human talent from the industry and replacing it with dependence on a soulless machine. I understand A.I. perfectly and I know the impact it can and will have on humanity in the Arts.

You're cutting your own throats and aren't smart enough to realize that fact. One day there will be no need for plugins because there will be no need for humans to make music. That day may be closer than anyone of us wishes to admit.

Anyway I've made my position crystal clear. I can't fight the myopia of those who refuse to think things through and care nothing about the industry they've chosen to participate in for their artistic endeavors. Screw A.I. and screw anyone who supports it in any form for the Arts.

Who are you telling that? I don´t even drive a car. But honestly - I think your pespective is a bit narrow. Let´s twist it around: it´s all not AIs fault. It´s humans who use it, the same species that goes ahopping at temu, buys cars invented by assholes, votes idiots and still thinks they´d know better that others

[HAL76]

I really wonder what motivates people to devalue and fight things they don't understand.

Maybe a knee jerk reaction based on this?

AI in general does pose some difficult questions and in the music sector there appears to be dubious attitudes towards copyright.
Plus there is concern about all the AI slop which will end up on Spotify etc and might eat away at paying jobs for composers.

So some people view all the AI music related stuff in the same negative way!
I see this thread primarily being aimed at hobbyists and in having limited impact on the professionals working in music.

My reaction has nothing to do with the AI slop deluge on Spotify (I do not and would never use Spotify anyway). It has to do with the total lack of consideration regarding our environment, or ecology, and our economics, the complete disrespect for humanity, and the moral principles that you have to lack in order to be a proponent of AI.

All fine. I just think that he uses AI the right way: he uses it as a tool that increases his productivity ...

[Teksonik]

Who are you telling that? I don´t even drive a car. But honestly - I think your pespective is a bit narrow. Let´s twist it around: it´s all not AIs fault. It´s humans who use it, the same species that goes ahopping at temu, buys cars invented by assholes, votes idiots and still thinks they´d know better that others

Cool rant dude. Utterly incoherent and irrelevant but cool.