So... we can start right now to look for utilities that converts AVI into Quicktime or Quicktime into AVI, in freeware it's possible. Or compression plug-ins...Some people here know links for this kind of stuff ?
Some Quicktime tools ?
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- KVRian
- 1223 posts since 11 Aug, 2004 from France
Now whe know that Quicktime will be supported by Tracktion 2 So... we can start right now to look for utilities that converts AVI into Quicktime or Quicktime into AVI, in freeware it's possible. Or compression plug-ins...
Some people here know links for this kind of stuff ?
So... we can start right now to look for utilities that converts AVI into Quicktime or Quicktime into AVI, in freeware it's possible. Or compression plug-ins...Some people here know links for this kind of stuff ?
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- KVRist
- 98 posts since 9 Jun, 2004 from Hamburg / Germany
Someday I'll look back on all this and laugh... until they sedate me.
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- KVRAF
- 6937 posts since 4 Jun, 2004 from Utrecht, Holland
I really HATE quicktime. Its not even backwards compatible! A v2 file will not play in V3, it requires me to have all previous quicktime players installed.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1223 posts since 11 Aug, 2004 from France
Thanks Sargon 
But the most of what I see there is for MAC only or is not freeware... I think we can find some free encoders/decoders for Quicktime ?
But the most of what I see there is for MAC only or is not freeware... I think we can find some free encoders/decoders for Quicktime ?-
- Beware the Quoth
- 35477 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Quicktime Pro is the cheapest/most ubiquitous 'encoder/decoder' for Quicktime, AFAIK.
It might be worthwhile pointing out that Quicktime is not stictly speaking a single video/audio format, its a video/audio 'metaformat', much the same as WMV files. In other words withing a Quicktime file, one of many different video codecs could be used for the video, and one of many different audio codecs could be used for the audio. If you dont have the required codecs, then you will have issues.
Im not actually sure if there are free encoders for QT; its a proprietary format belonging to Apple, and they're a bit fussay about some things like that....
It might be worthwhile pointing out that Quicktime is not stictly speaking a single video/audio format, its a video/audio 'metaformat', much the same as WMV files. In other words withing a Quicktime file, one of many different video codecs could be used for the video, and one of many different audio codecs could be used for the audio. If you dont have the required codecs, then you will have issues.
Im not actually sure if there are free encoders for QT; its a proprietary format belonging to Apple, and they're a bit fussay about some things like that....
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- KVRist
- 98 posts since 9 Jun, 2004 from Hamburg / Germany
Try versiontracker.com or download.com and search for quicktime; there should be some stuff for Windows.
But as Whyterabbyd says, purchasing QT Pro from Apple (I did it years ago) may be the best idea to get some encoders (MPEG-4, light version of Sorensen etc.).
Maybe it is also worth the effort to visit divx.com and have a look if and how it works together with quicktime.
Also google for 3ivx, the free divx pendant (I don't know if the project is still alive).
But as Whyterabbyd says, purchasing QT Pro from Apple (I did it years ago) may be the best idea to get some encoders (MPEG-4, light version of Sorensen etc.).
Maybe it is also worth the effort to visit divx.com and have a look if and how it works together with quicktime.
Also google for 3ivx, the free divx pendant (I don't know if the project is still alive).
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1223 posts since 11 Aug, 2004 from France
Ok, thanks for the infos
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- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
I believe the codecs are licensed by Apple, who have to pay a fee themselves to allow encoding. Thus no free encoder.whyterabbyt wrote: Im not actually sure if there are free encoders for QT; its a proprietary format belonging to Apple, and they're a bit fussay about some things like that....
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- KVRer
- 27 posts since 27 Dec, 2004
It seems to me that people doing video editing (as I'm about to go to school for) could use direct support for MPEG files. If I was making a movie to master to DVD, I certainly wouldn't want to convert it to QT only to have to convert it BACK to another format.
Very few people on the PC actually uses QT. This just makes no sense to me. I certainly don't see the point in having to invest in yet more hardware to do cross-conversions, when I should be able to edit a file in my favorite video editing suite and then send the video file through Tracktion (which should render to an audio track directly in the video file) and then finally encode it to either DVD or DIVX formats for distriution.
QT makes sense if you'r going for the Mac community, but as an intermediate format for PC based video editing, this decision just doesn't seem to make any sense.
Very few people on the PC actually uses QT. This just makes no sense to me. I certainly don't see the point in having to invest in yet more hardware to do cross-conversions, when I should be able to edit a file in my favorite video editing suite and then send the video file through Tracktion (which should render to an audio track directly in the video file) and then finally encode it to either DVD or DIVX formats for distriution.
QT makes sense if you'r going for the Mac community, but as an intermediate format for PC based video editing, this decision just doesn't seem to make any sense.
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- KVRian
- 1088 posts since 11 Sep, 2004 from 45° 31' 60N 73° 28' 60W
On thing you seem to forget is that mpeg is NOT an editing format, it's a final format and absolutely worthless format as an intermediary solution.Tomxp411 wrote:It seems to me that people doing video editing (as I'm about to go to school for) could use direct support for MPEG files. If I was making a movie to master to DVD, I certainly wouldn't want to convert it to QT only to have to convert it BACK to another format.
Very few people on the PC actually uses QT. This just makes no sense to me. I certainly don't see the point in having to invest in yet more hardware to do cross-conversions, when I should be able to edit a file in my favorite video editing suite and then send the video file through Tracktion (which should render to an audio track directly in the video file) and then finally encode it to either DVD or DIVX formats for distriution.
QT makes sense if you'r going for the Mac community, but as an intermediate format for PC based video editing, this decision just doesn't seem to make any sense.
As to the hardware needed, you don't need any form of specialized hardware to render to QT, any window based editor can render to that format using countless of available codec as long as QT is installed on the system (doesn't even have to be the pro QT version).
Also, Tracktion is NOT a video editor. Any composition you make in it would eventually have to be rendered, for DVD that would normally be 48/24 format, and then imported to an actual video editor fo placement, leveling and such and from there encoded to Mpeg for final delivery.
In that light, video support in T as a scratch aid could be in any format, it has absolutely no bearing at all on the final product. Considerin the complaint of Mac users about the WMV format, I understand that choice for a cross-platform solution like T and it doesn't make any type of difference for editor, Mac or window based.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Since I couldn't care a hoot about ANY video support, and since T1 didn't include any, and since I'm surprised it made its appearance in T2, I find it difficult to start complaining about format.
If you are a professional working with sound for video, you already have the means or know how to acquire the means to use QT. If you're a hobbyist, and just want to dick around with it (which is what I would be if I ever get around to it), you should be willing to accept the limitations of the hobby and find your work-around.
I guess I'm just looking at it from my personal perspective, which is-- there are a million other features I'd rather see, and video editing is not one of them. I'm certainly not complaining that it's been added (new feature that might win new users? Great!), but nor would I even dream about complaining that I don't like the way it's been implemented.
Greg
If you are a professional working with sound for video, you already have the means or know how to acquire the means to use QT. If you're a hobbyist, and just want to dick around with it (which is what I would be if I ever get around to it), you should be willing to accept the limitations of the hobby and find your work-around.
I guess I'm just looking at it from my personal perspective, which is-- there are a million other features I'd rather see, and video editing is not one of them. I'm certainly not complaining that it's been added (new feature that might win new users? Great!), but nor would I even dream about complaining that I don't like the way it's been implemented.
Greg
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- KVRist
- 436 posts since 13 Jul, 2004 from Bayonne, NJ
My hope is that there will be a tick box in the T2 custom setup section to bypass the install of QT.
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35477 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
If you do go to filmschool, you'll probably find that most of the editing et.c. you do is prepared and set up using a lower-resolution proxy of the full-resolution footage, then the rendering of the final edits are done offline. And you'll possibly find that MPEG-4 isnt the best format for your full-resolution footage, especially if you're actually talking about something intended for film or broadcast. Unencoded frames, like unencoded audio, maintain the highest level of accuracy. #
Additionally, just because you use a Quicktimed proxy version of your file to edit your sound to doesnt mean that you take the same Quicktime file and re-encode it for the final piece; you take the audio away and it gets added to your final render. Once upon a time audio editing was done to a video deck with SMPTE timecode. Would you expect them to then take the video copy, then make their final film by blowing that up to a 35mm print? Of course not; its a proxy. The same principle applies with Quicktimes.
And since Jules apparantly comes from a post-production background, he might have a better idea of what's actually used than most people about to go to filmschool, no?
BTW what additional 'hardware' do you think you might need to convert a video to Quicktime? Quicktime is available for Macs and PC's, and has been for years and years.
Additionally, just because you use a Quicktimed proxy version of your file to edit your sound to doesnt mean that you take the same Quicktime file and re-encode it for the final piece; you take the audio away and it gets added to your final render. Once upon a time audio editing was done to a video deck with SMPTE timecode. Would you expect them to then take the video copy, then make their final film by blowing that up to a 35mm print? Of course not; its a proxy. The same principle applies with Quicktimes.
And since Jules apparantly comes from a post-production background, he might have a better idea of what's actually used than most people about to go to filmschool, no?
BTW what additional 'hardware' do you think you might need to convert a video to Quicktime? Quicktime is available for Macs and PC's, and has been for years and years.
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- KVRAF
- 37445 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
I know it's so stupid. I have loads of great CDRoms I can't use because it would mean installing some old buggy 16 bit version of Quicktime to play it - why the hell they can't even update it properly Jobs knows!C00kie wrote:I really HATE quicktime. Its not even backwards compatible! A v2 file will not play in V3, it requires me to have all previous quicktime players installed.