Patrick's new baby... TAL- J-8X

[audiojunkie]

How is KV331 doing things? I have his stuff too (though I wish it was Linux native).

It's not exactly the same as with TAL, but if I remember right what Bulent said, you get an initial keyfile that works like this:
- on an offline machine, that activates the plugin, so you're good to go;
- on an online machine, that keyfile gets replaced behind the scenes by a new keyfile that uses your machine information, so he can track your activations.

(Sorry for the off-topic.)

Good to know! Thanks!

[kraster]

This is awesome but I’m getting some weird behaviour with the unison mode with the stereo spread turned up. Like an intermittent jump in volume on some notes.

Knowing the other TAL products any bugs will be quickly squished in the near weekly fixes/updates

Yeah. Patrick's one of the best in the business when it comes to updates.

[Vortifex]

I never used PG-8X much, as outside of some nice unison/chorus pads and brass I felt that other synths did all the bread & butter stuff better. After playing with this for a while I must admit I'm struggling to change my mind on that. Not a criticism of TAL btw, I suppose I'm just not a big fan of the JX-8P sound. Maybe I'm not good at getting the best out of it. The preset designers made a valiant effort.

I'd like to see a mono retrigger option like on PG-8X. Playing bass without that can be annoying. Also I don't find the stereo spread on the delay very useful, I'd prefer a normal ping pong. I think it's the same delay he uses on other synths. JX8 uses more than twice the CPU of PG-8X.

Not an instabuy from me but I'll keep experimenting.

[zvenx]

Of course different strokes for different folks.

I am not sure I follow what the mono retrigger option is (I have never played the pg-8x).
Maybe the same thing or not, if you want legato on, use solo 1, if you want it off, use poly 1 with 1 voice assigned..
Is that what you mean?
rsp

[zvenx]

Just in case another conspiracy theory starts...
Turns out there was another product in the market with the name J8X (you can google it).

So Patrick has changed the name to Tal-J-8x...
https://tal-software.com/products/tal-j-8x

the plugin name hasn't changed, just the website and the name on the interface..
rsp

[Vortifex]

Of course different strokes for different folks.

I am not sure I follow what the mono retrigger option is (I have never played the pg-8x).
Maybe the same thing or not, if you want legato on, use solo 1, if you want it off, use poly 1 with 1 voice assigned..
Is that what you mean?
rsp

If I load the very first bass patch, BA 1980S ELECTRO, and select POLY 1, the behaviour is still legato with no retriggering of the envelope. That goes for any patch but I'll just use that as the example.

[zvenx]

Seems like you also have to change the voices from 1...
(you of course lose the unison of that particular patch).
I assume that is how the hardware behaves too. (I know the jupiter 8 has legato on always for its equivalent mode)
rsp

[wagtunes]

I think I'm in love.

My tribute to what will become one of my favorite synths. Looks like I'm going to have to eat some crow here.

With the exception of piano and drums, all other tracks (19 in all) are TAL J8X.

I give you "May Pal Tal" (short for Talia)

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/my-pal-tal

[hurricaneaudiolab]

Alright so, comparing it to my JX-8P, I would say this has nailed the sound, however, there are a few audibly minor things I am noticing. My real 8P is somewhat more transient and slightly brighter and the envelopes are slightly tighter. It is quite apparent to me as I am switching back and forth.

So I was looking at the description of the chorus on this site: https://www.florian-anwander.de/roland_string_choruses/

"The LFO speed setting is similar to the Juno-106, but not the same. Interesting aspect: there is a very simple limiter circuit in the audio-in of the chorus. Appearently the roland engineers found that the JX-3P can overdrive its chorus; assumingly they wanted to avoid that without making the sound/noise ratio worse. This limiter is not(!) in the signal path of the dry signal, so it might be that percussive sounds are more "incisive" at the JX-8P than on the 3P."

So essentially, on the 8P, the dry signal bypasses the limiter so the transients stay sharp, while the chorused signal gets slightly compressed. This combined with TALs envelopes being a touch too slow or smooth might be what I am hearing? If the description of the JX's chorus is correct, then can anyone confirm if TAL emulated this behavior?

[zvenx]

I hope whatever I am saying isn't me saying too much.
I know from inception (at least when I came into the project) he was very happy about the envelopes.., so is it possible that yours may behave a bit differently than his does?

I can't answer your specific question about the chorus, cause I don't know the answer.
you can ask him..
If you look at the change log you will see twice he made adjustments to the chorus.

I know one of them was someone had pointed out to him the chorus was wrong, when he compared it with his super jx, but when they did research it turns out the super jx has a different chorus than the jx-8p and I think he then made a compromise adjustment.

But ask him.
rsp

[EvilDragon]

Calibration, it's always the calibration!

https://urs.silvrback.com/specimen

[audiojunkie]

I think I'm in love.

My tribute to what will become one of my favorite synths. Looks like I'm going to have to eat some crow here.

With the exception of piano and drums, all other tracks (19 in all) are TAL J8X.

I give you "May Pal Tal" (short for Talia)

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim/my-pal-tal

That’s quite amazing that you can throw something so polished together in just a few short hours! Congrats on finding a new favorite synth!

[Seafire Mk2]

Calibration, it's always the calibration!

https://urs.silvrback.com/specimen

BS

No two analogue synths of the same make sound the same, and actually not even a single analogue synths sounds like itself at two different points in time.

That's an excuse used by devs to explain why their emulation doesn't sound like hardware.

Don't fall for the marketing spiel

[zvenx]

What analog synths have you owned and played extensively?
Even when they been on for a few hours (warmed up), they often sound different than when they are first turned on.
vintage analog synths anyway.
rsp

[hmusic]

Regarding the difference between a real JX-8P and the plugin, there were revisions of the JX-8P as well as the MKS-70.

I had two MKS-70s at one point and they sounded different from each other when A/Bing. One was more precise, cold, and clinical, the other a little warmer and analog-ish.

So a real JX-8P may sound slightly different from the plugin but a real JX-8P may sound different from another JX-8P too.

There's also age and calibration issues which could affect the sound.