Swayed v1.0.3 - available now!

[Ben [KVR]]

If you wish to discuss Swayed, please continue here. If you wish you discuss legal issues surrounding the use of of ROMs please do it in a different topic.

[tumface]

Would be nice to have a way to specify a custom init patch, in addition to the factory init. OPS7 has this feature, and it's pretty nice.

[sheaf]

Would be nice to have a way to specify a custom init patch, in addition to the factory init. OPS7 has this feature, and it's pretty nice.

Agreed, I'll add it to my todo list.

Personally, I think fresh new sets of pseudo-retro ROMpler-y samples that aren't trying to mirror the original library would be more fun. But both would be cool

$50 spent here

https://digitalsoundfactory.com/product ... bit-phatt/

Gets you the entire library from the old early 1990s E-mu Proteus 1,2, and 3 units as well as the Proteus Orbit and Phatt.

These are legal and licensed from E-mu/Creative directly and are in the Sound Font format

You can use the free open sourced "Convert with Moss" or something like Chicken Systems Translator to convert them into other forms. I HIGHLY recommend Convert with Moss, you can use it to batch convert a folder of Soundfonts into a folder of SFZ

Sheaf has said before he is adding SFZ support to SWAYED

That's a TON of old Rompler sounds that covers everything from old Synths, to orchestral, to world sounds, to dance and the Proteus library since it came from the E-II and E-III library is far more interesting than the old AWM2 library from Yamaha before the Motif came out

They have a bunch of other old Rompler sounds available also from other Romplers and Samplers

I have it and highly recommend it. If you are looking for a low cost and ethical/legal way to have a great library of some of the best old Rompler sounds that is it

That's a nice sample library! I think those type of sounds should work well in Swayed.

I'm diving into the sound font and sfz file formats right now. I had always assumed both formats are just a way to define a multisample in the most basic fashion. But it looks like there are all sorts of options to add envelopes, filters, LFOs, etc in the definition. I can't implement all those things really. Just the sample, the volume, the key range, the detuning and the loop points. Would that make a lot of SF2/SFZ files useless? I was never a big soundfont user myself so I don't really know what's typically used in these files.

[Etienne1973]

@sheaf - IMO forget about SF2 direct import. Just SFZ in the way you purpose.

[EvilDragon]

Yeah it's fine if you import just a subset of relevant parameters. Totally fine!

I would say it's great to have SF2 next to SFZ, for sure. There's a ton of SF2s out there.

One thing to note is that SF2s can often have more than one program inside them. This is not the case with SFZ.

You may reference SF2 support from Shortcircuit XT if you want (MIT licensed).

https://github.com/surge-synthesizer/sh ... f2_support

[soundman007]

I still have the CD rom libraries with samples of Samplecell (in the time of Digidesign when I had several PCI samplecell cards in my extension bay of the computer). The samples are in AIFF format. I hope to be able to use them, if need be after conversion.

[Uncle E]

I still have the CD's with sounds of Samplecell (in the time of Digidesign when I had several sample cell cards in my extension bay of the computer). The audio files are in AIFF format. I hope to be able to use them, if need be after conversion.

Are the programs in Samplecell .ins format? If so, Chicken Systems Translator will allow you to convert them. If they're simply AIFF files with no loop data, hopefully Sheaf will have some form of automapping.

[IvyBirds]

I'm diving into the sound font and sfz file formats right now. I had always assumed both formats are just a way to define a multisample in the most basic fashion. But it looks like there are all sorts of options to add envelopes, filters, LFOs, etc in the definition. I can't implement all those things really. Just the sample, the volume, the key range, the detuning and the loop points. Would that make a lot of SF2/SFZ files useless? I was never a big soundfont user myself so I don't really know what's typically used in these files.

I have been making my own soundfonts, SFZ, and Decent Sampler based instruments for decades now. So I am very familiar with how they work, the text files you need to write to make them work. I also am extremely familiar with the SY77. While my opinion isn't worth much this is what I would do if I were you

Honestly I wouldn't worry about Soundfont import at all. If you are going to focus on importing any format I would just focus on SFZ. Soundfonts are a relic of the 1990s and not many people are developing them anymore in favor of SFZ and the Decent Sampler format.

Your users can simply use the free and excellent Open Sourced "Convert with Moss" to turn pretty much anything they have that is not already SFZ into SFZ.

As you know the there are many different things that the SFZ format can do with dedicated SFZ players that just don't translate well to the SY77/ AWM2 engine In the SY77. And things that SY77 dies that are not supported in SFZ like how you can set Level 4 (the end of the release) to something other than zero for "infinite" drones. Something SFZ doesn't support

All that's really needed here is the key mappings and loop points and perhaps any detuning information. Any envelopes, filters, modulators etc are just not needed as they wouldn't translate anyway

The goal here should be just to make it easy to import and map samples to be used in SWAYED not make SWAYED a SFZ player

I am not a coder/programmer like you are but I can get around the text files needed for SFZ quite well. My guess is that it wouldn't be that difficult to convert the .sfz definition files for mappings and loop points into a format that SWAYED can read and understand and just have SWAYED ignore the rest

You might also want to consider support for Decent Sampler files. Decent Sampler is becoming more and more popular. Many independent developers are now making Decent Sampler content and it would be simple to implement. It's literally just a folder with a bunch of WAV files and an XML file with a set of instructions on how to use it in the Decent Sampler player

With SFZ if you have a piano sample wave file on Middle C you would write

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<region>
// The sample file name
sample=piano.wav

// The root pitch of your recording (Middle C)
pitch_keycenter=60

// The range of keys that will trigger this sample
lokey=0
hikey=127

// Volume adjustment if needed (in dB)
volume=0
</region>

With Decent Sampler you would just write

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<sample path="piano.wav" 
              rootNote="60" 
              loNote="0" 
              hiNote="127" 
              loVel="0" 
              hiVel="127" />

(Note that Decent Sampler assumes all the samples will be played at unity with the WAV file and just uses the AMP Envelope to change that and/or the volume knob for the instrument)

My point is if SWAYED can read SFZ, having it read the XML in a Decent Sampler Instrument should be rather trivial to implement as well

Having support for Decent Sampler mappings would be greatly appreciated by many people, but again wouldn't be super critical as you can use Convert with Moss to turn them into SFZ

However I now have around 500GBs of Decent Sampler Instruments I have mostly made myself on my hard drive so I am a biased towards that format

[soundman007]

@Uncle E. Thanks for your useful info. I still have everything except the PCI cards and expansion bay of course. And Logic's Sampler plays them perfectly well. The samples are all in AIFF format, and the sampler instruments are in exs format. Come to think of it I also have the entire (now discarded Orchestral Cube) from VSL in the same formats AIFF and exs. Have to dig that up too. Cheers, Bob.

[frag]

Congratulations once again for bringing SY/TG77 into VST!
This was a bit unexpected - I couldn't tell much from early audio demos, but the sound is really really interesting. It kinda "completes" any virtual studio, sits well around Diva, JD-800 etc.
Also, version 1.0.3 seems to be fully functional.

However, I won't buy it, simply because this person "Evil Dragon" is listed in the credits.
I know my $100 isn't much, but this will make business owners think twice before they include someone in their project.
I've seen many untalented, rude, aggressive people in the music industry, but this EvilDragon takes it to another level. He's a true abomination.
Of course, I never ban people on forums because I like to have a few laughs...

We must create another field of interest for such people, and save the art of music.
Everyone is a "musician" today

[EvilDragon]

LOL.

[frag]

LOL.

Stryde Audio just lost $100... and you're laughing!

[EvilDragon]

I'm laughing because you are petty. Sheaf will be just fine because his product speaks for itself - and that's all that matters.

You apparently haven't had the chance to interact with actually rude people on here. I'm being rather polite in fact, by comparison.

[c0nsilience]

Are there any Dwayne Goettel fans on here? That's how I learned of the SY77.

[Tj Shredder]

However, I won't buy it, simply because this person "Evil Dragon" is listed in the credits.

I didn’t recognize that EvilDragon is credited. Ok that will get me over the fence. I’ll buy it. I hope that covers the loss. Thanks for pointing it out, its a guarantee for good coding and profound comments…
(And as you love to give advice, its harder to build a reputation than turning yourself into a fool…)