BBFG# wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2026 5:07 pm I'm probably wrong, but every time I hear Nashville mentioned I think of Harrison Mixbus.
It wasn't Harrison Mixbus (now owned by SSL).
BBFG# wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2026 5:07 pm I'm probably wrong, but every time I hear Nashville mentioned I think of Harrison Mixbus.
SSL was what got me to uninstall it from my systems.
Many hardware synths have 20ms or more latency built right into 'em (a long time ago Scott Solida did some tests on his dungeon full of hardware synths and, from memory, the average was somewhere between 10ms and 20ms) but I can't say I have ever, in my life, heard anyone complain about latency in hardware synths. It only bugs you because you know it's there, it's not really a problem most of the time.Jim Roseberry wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2026 4:58 pm The amount of Record Offset varies greatly (depends on the audio interface).
- Behringer Wing has ~18-samples (late)
- Orion Studio Synergy Core has ~146-samples (late)
Some audio interfaces may place the audio early.
Some audio interfaces have considerably larger Record Offset.
Using the Wing, you probably wouldn't notice that the audio was placed 18-samples late.
With the Orion Studio SC at 44.1k, that's 3.3ms later than what was actually played.
Because you seem like the kind of lunatic who be into it and, reading the rest of your post, it seems you are exactly that kind of lunatic. Ii wouldn't use Reaper if you paid me. It's ugly and has absolutely nothing going for it that would make me want to use it over half-a-dozen other DAWs. Companies aren't going to want to deal with the bunch of amateurs who run Reaper. They'll expect to have a local guy from the company who will come out and talk to them and see their set-up and offer them advice. It's all the stuff Autodesk used to pay me to do that makes customers feel good about their products. Cockos will never be able to compete with that without a serious change to their business model.
I figured you'd mention synth latency.BONES wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2026 10:49 pmMany hardware synths have 20ms or more latency built right into 'em (a long time ago Scott Solida did some tests on his dungeon full of hardware synths and, from memory, the average was somewhere between 10ms and 20ms) but I can't say I have ever, in my life, heard anyone complain about latency in hardware synths. It only bugs you because you know it's there, it's not really a problem most of the time.Jim Roseberry wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2026 4:58 pm The amount of Record Offset varies greatly (depends on the audio interface).
- Behringer Wing has ~18-samples (late)
- Orion Studio Synergy Core has ~146-samples (late)
Some audio interfaces may place the audio early.
Some audio interfaces have considerably larger Record Offset.
Using the Wing, you probably wouldn't notice that the audio was placed 18-samples late.
With the Orion Studio SC at 44.1k, that's 3.3ms later than what was actually played.
I value intent far less than getting a good result and in my experience, both in music and at my job, you can make things look good without worrying about ultimate accuracy. "Looks good, is good" at work and "sounds good, is good" in the studio has always worked for me.Jim Roseberry wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 12:03 amIt's my opinion that digital recording (and especially timing) should be accurate... so the result is "as intended".
The thing is, that's not sloppy, it's consistent and will sound fine. It amazes me how much you can slide things around and they still work, as long as the timing of the performance is consistent. i.e. people notice when one note is out of time but not so much if they are all off by the same amount (unless it's a long way out, of course).If my playing is sloppy, that's on me. If timing is sloppy due to a technical issue like Record Offset, that's something that should be resolved.
10ms is a ten foot guitar cord, guitar players compensate for this naturally, or their playing isn't that accurate anyway. I don't think people realize how slow sound travels, or that different instruments have natural latency etc. IMO it's just like tuning, only a person with perfect pitch will be able to tell if something's of by 3 cents, but get to 10 cents or more and it's obvious to most of us.BONES wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2026 10:49 pm Many hardware synths have 20ms or more latency built right into 'em (a long time ago Scott Solida did some tests on his dungeon full of hardware synths and, from memory, the average was somewhere between 10ms and 20ms) but I can't say I have ever, in my life, heard anyone complain about latency in hardware synths. It only bugs you because you know it's there, it's not really a problem most of the time.
Exactly!machinesworking wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 4:32 am
FFS people should use what they like, and the war against Pro Tools was lost years ago, maybe one day but not anytime soon. For most of us, it's not necessary, as evidenced by it's lack of popularity in the poll.
Indeed. This thread was about what tool people would use, not which tool people dont use but want to spew venom about.andypryce wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 9:54 amExactly!machinesworking wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 4:32 am
FFS people should use what they like, and the war against Pro Tools was lost years ago, maybe one day but not anytime soon. For most of us, it's not necessary, as evidenced by it's lack of popularity in the poll.
And this war against DAWs is so ridiculous. I have been seeing this Protools killer claims since early 2000s
Bitwig Studio supposed to kill Live
Studio One supposed to kill Logic and Cubase
Reaper supposed to kill any DAW that exists.
All that happens is competition gets heated and all programs improve for the better and just doing fine.
Just use what you like and ignore the rest.Why would anyone be interested in the death of a DAW that they do not use lol.
[rant]machinesworking wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 4:32 am10ms is a ten foot guitar cord, guitar players compensate for this naturally, or their playing isn't that accurate anyway. I don't think people realize how slow sound travels, or that different instruments have natural latency etc. IMO it's just like tuning, only a person with perfect pitch will be able to tell if something's of by 3 cents, but get to 10 cents or more and it's obvious to most of us.BONES wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2026 10:49 pm Many hardware synths have 20ms or more latency built right into 'em (a long time ago Scott Solida did some tests on his dungeon full of hardware synths and, from memory, the average was somewhere between 10ms and 20ms) but I can't say I have ever, in my life, heard anyone complain about latency in hardware synths. It only bugs you because you know it's there, it's not really a problem most of the time.
FFS people should use what they like, and the war against Pro Tools was lost years ago, maybe one day but not anytime soon. For most of us, it's not necessary, as evidenced by it's lack of popularity in the poll.
But it is Blanche, it is the industry standard!audiojunkie wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 1:05 pm [rant]
My comment is not pointed at any particular person. Rather, it is pointed at the argument that Pro Tools is the defacto recording industry standard. Apologies to machinesworking for posting it as a response to his post—my thoughts solidified as I finished reading his comment.
I guess I don’t see why what is used in the studios and production houses even matters anymore other than for the mixing and mastering steps of the process. Calling Pro Tools an industry standard in the tracking part of the process is a complete falsehood.
Pro Studio costs have killed most pro studio usage for nearly everyone except the Tears For Fears, Queens, and Brian Wilsons still left in the world. MOST musicians have have their own project “studio” in their own homes and on their own devices. Even most of the pros do most of their work at home rather than in big studios. And it’s been this way since BEFORE the move from analog reel to reel to digital tracking. Peter Gabriel (huge personal studio—maybe uses Pro Tools, don’t know, irrelevant), Boston (best work done in his basement), Bruce Spreensteen (Nebraska done on a 4 track), Beatles? Another 4 track example. Countless KNOWN artists track their projects at home these days, remove all track effects, and then send uneffected stems to be professionally mixed and mastered by experts. How those stems came to be, whether it was from Peter Gabriel’s personal studio, or a guy playing a kazoo into his voice mailbox has been completely irrelevant in the tracking step of the pro recording process for decades, and Pro Tools has zero ground to stand on when arguing that it is the industry standard in this part of the process—hint, it’s not.
Pro Tools is the industry standard for music production MAYBE in the mixing and mastering steps of the process, but is absolutely NOT athe industry standard in the tracking part of the process. This is a simple fact with insurmountable amounts of evidence from professionals and amateurs alike, from across the last 25+ years.
Summary:
Pro Tools is no longer the industry standard for all of the industry for all parts of the process. To those that are arguing that it is—Please Stop. [/rant]
Again, my comments were not aimed at you.machinesworking wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 4:00 pm... You're conflating composing at home with recording an orchestra or big band. Pro Tools is without a doubt the industry standard and used dammed near 100% for recording orchestras and large bands...
No one is arguing or should be arguing that Pro Tools is needed for composing, the list of film score giants that compose directly in Pro Tools is Infinitesimally tiny compared to Cubase, Digital Performer, Logic etc.
You're missing my and others point. When you compose at home, whether you're Joe Blow or Danny Elfman, you're likely not using Pro tools, but when you go into a large recording studio with 50k worth of mics and a 100k mixing console etc. it's not going to be Reaper or any other DAW besides Pro Tools. I would bet less than 5% in the USA and maybe more in Europe are using other DAWs besides Pro Tools. Most rock bands releasing records don't record at home. People releasing tracks on Soundcloud do.audiojunkie wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 4:46 pm Those two examples are in no way big enough of an argument to say that Pro Tools is an industry standard for the tracking part of the recording process. Remember, I'm not saying that Pro Tools is not used in that part of the process--it surely is. But that Pro Tools is NOT an industry standard for the tracking part of the pro audio process. For the first (and possibly most important) part of the process, where the music is created and initially recorded onto tracks, literally everything is used--there is no standard.
Someone is definitely missing the point. However, I don't think it's me in this case. The argument here is simple:machinesworking wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 5:54 pmYou're missing my and others point. When you compose at home, whether you're Joe Blow or Danny Elfman, you're likely not using Pro tools, but when you go into a large recording studio with 50k worth of mics and a 100k mixing console etc. it's not going to be Reaper or any other DAW besides Pro Tools. I would bet less than 5% in the USA and maybe more in Europe are using other DAWs besides Pro Tools. Most rock bands releasing records don't record at home. People releasing tracks on Soundcloud do.audiojunkie wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 4:46 pm Those two examples are in no way big enough of an argument to say that Pro Tools is an industry standard for the tracking part of the recording process. Remember, I'm not saying that Pro Tools is not used in that part of the process--it surely is. But that Pro Tools is NOT an industry standard for the tracking part of the pro audio process. For the first (and possibly most important) part of the process, where the music is created and initially recorded onto tracks, literally everything is used--there is no standard.
This isn't controversial.
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