Mulab is awesome and a few FR

[Palunto]

I recently purhcased Mulab and I really enjoy using it; feels really intuitive to me and makes me focus more on the music and not the software. Been years since I finished a song but with Mulab I actually finished a song on day two of using it and already working on the next one. Found it while looking for a daw that's free of most distractions while still being capable. Also love the audio sequencer.

Was having some issues with click and pops and needed a big asio buffer to mitigate, tried switching back to another daw but got frustrated and went back to Mulab again Have ordered a proper audio interface now, hopefully that solves it.

Just wanted to put in a few small feature request that came to mind while using it, mostly quality of life/workflow related:

- Option to auto fade in and out clips X ms when splitting (outside zc markers), to avoid clicks, and/or shortcut function to do the same. Including sample slices in the audio sequencer.

- Ability to set loop marker in audio stream and a function to adjust that loop marker to clip length. Currently I'm converting it to audio sequence if I want to loop which works well except:

- Option to only add markers without splitting when converting to audio sequence. In some cases splitting up the audio changes the timing sligthly and half the time I only want to loop the sequence not chop it.

- Shortcut function to move a clip up/down between tracks in timeline and audio sequence without moving it in time. Especially in audio sequence it would be nice to move between tracks without changing position (hard to do when it's off grid).

- Ability to select multiple racks at ones, mainly to adjust faders when the mix is good but level needs to be adjusted.

- When double-clicking a sample in an audio sequence I would prefer if it opened the docked editor not a pop-up window. I have assigned TAB to toggle editor which is such a smooth workflow and this is the only thing that breaks it

[MuTools]

Thanks for your appreciation, feedback and FRs.
I've bookmarked your post and will get back to it soonish.

[PelletProject]

- Shortcut function to move a clip up/down between tracks in timeline and audio sequence without moving it in time. Especially in audio sequence it would be nice to move between tracks without changing position (hard to do when it's off grid).

I've definitely come across situations where I want to move off-grid sequences / audio in the timeline, and while MuLab lets you use Alt to lock in events vertically, it doesn't let you do this at a different selected point in the timeline. I'd love to have something akin to Ableton Live's default selection behavior / Studio One's Range Tool where I can select events as one region of the timeline and move the region as opposed to a regular selection marquee.

[Palunto]

Ah didn't know about Alt to lock, will try it out!

[tiger001]

- Option to auto fade in and out clips X ms when splitting (outside zc markers), to avoid clicks, and/or shortcut function to do the same. Including sample slices in the audio sequencer.

- Ability to set loop marker in audio stream and a function to adjust that loop marker to clip length. Currently I'm converting it to audio sequence if I want to loop which works well except:

- Option to only add markers without splitting when converting to audio sequence. In some cases splitting up the audio changes the timing sligthly and half the time I only want to loop the sequence not chop it.

- Shortcut function to move a clip up/down between tracks in timeline and audio sequence without moving it in time. Especially in audio sequence it would be nice to move between tracks without changing position (hard to do when it's off grid).

- Ability to select multiple racks at ones, mainly to adjust faders when the mix is good but level needs to be adjusted.

- When double-clicking a sample in an audio sequence I would prefer if it opened the docked editor not a pop-up window. I have assigned TAB to toggle editor which is such a smooth workflow and this is the only thing that breaks it

the request regarding audio (stream) positioning i can endorse

for manipulation multiple racks , just group them
-for years i didn't used that -just out of sheer negligence/against better judgment
now i group -just as one would on a classic console, and this feel so more natural
and it saves you screen estate (you can fold the included ch)

nice tip with the TAB toggle

[Palunto]

Haven't played with grouping so will try that out as well. Might do the trick as it's mostly an issue inside audio sequences when moving off-grid slices around between lanes. On the timeline I tend to slice/extend the clip to nearest grid line to make it quicker to move around in the arrangement. Grouping might help here as well if it can loop sequences on different tracks... will do some testing.

Another FR before I forget :
- Option to toggle top panel visibility, like we can with rack and browser. I.e. make composer/timeline full screen.

[Bax9]

for manipulation multiple racks , just group them
-for years i didn't used that -just out of sheer negligence/against better judgment
now i group -just as one would on a classic console, and this feel so more natural
and it saves you screen estate (you can fold the included ch)

It would be the same to put an amplifier module in the first slot of the master and use it as 'negative gain' to avoid clips?

[Palunto]

Regarding audio clicks and pops I did try on new audio interface and unfortunately it's the same issue. Just playing a single audio stream with no effects is like an old vinyl record. I found the only audio sample buffer that's stable is 2048. In Reaper I can use all the way down to 16 if not too many tracks and effects. What I found though was if I use a plugin host and run MuLab App plugin it works fine, tried four different ones and all worked good. But the synth plugin also have same clicks issues probably because it's using internal audio engine or something.

Made me think if I switch back to linux some day it could be interesting to experiment with the MuLab plugin inside a simple host.

[MuTools]

It would be the same to put an amplifier module in the first slot of the master and use it as 'negative gain' to avoid clips?

While inserting an Amplifier module in the first slot of a rack works, i wonder why you would do that instead of simply using that rack's volume slider.

What tiger means, and it's indeed a good suggestion, is that if you want to control the volume of a couple of racks eg. racks A, B and C, then create a new rack G and route the output of racks A, B, C to this new group rack G, then you can control (and automate) the volume of racks A, B, C without touching them, just by simply tweaking the volume of group rack G.

[MuTools]

Regarding audio clicks and pops I did try on new audio interface and unfortunately it's the same issue. Just playing a single audio stream with no effects is like an old vinyl record. I found the only audio sample buffer that's stable is 2048.

This is not normal.
Please see https://www.mutools.com/info/M10/docs/m ... setup.html
Make sure to avoid using more audio threads than there are *real* cores on your CPU.
As a test you could even try with Num Audio Processor Threads = 1, and then retest with increasing that value 1 by 1.

[Palunto]

It's definitely something weird. If I disable CPU multi core it's just slightly better. I did try with Threads = 1 it mostly just increased the CPU load. Will try increasing it one by one when I'm back home with audio interface. I have 16 real cores (intel core i9) will try from 1 to 16 then. Will also try locking it to a CPU in Windows.

[MuTools]

It's definitely something weird. If I disable CPU multi core it's just slightly better. I did try with Threads = 1 it mostly just increased the CPU load. Will try increasing it one by one when I'm back home with audio interface. I have 16 real cores (intel core i9) will try from 1 to 16 then. Will also try locking it to a CPU in Windows.

The i9 processor has 8 real physical cores, not 16.
See https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... tions.html
So best to set the number of audio processor threads to max 8.
That should be the optimal setting for the i9.
Also note that it's best that no other (media) apps are running at the same time as MuLab as they will also use precious high priority media cpu cycles, increasing the chance on dropouts.

[Palunto]

It's this one: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... tions.html
The MuLab CPU meter is usually between 20-30%
I did get some improvements when tweaking Nvidia drivers and settings after checking with LatencyMon, but it's still in the red after some time, which I also notice that MuLab is better when first starting and degrades after a few minutes. So it's possible the laptop or Windows might be choking some how.
I can also try with a different computer at some point, best to rule out something funky going on with this laptop.

[MuTools]

It's this one: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en ... tions.html

Still it's only 8 real cores, and that's the important number.
Avoid setting the "Number of audio processors" in MuLab's Audio Setup higher than the number of real cores, ie. not above 8 in this case.

[Bax9]

It would be the same to put an amplifier module in the first slot of the master and use it as 'negative gain' to avoid clips?

While inserting an Amplifier module in the first slot of a rack works, i wonder why you would do that instead of simply using that rack's volume slider.

What tiger means, and it's indeed a good suggestion, is that if you want to control the volume of a couple of racks eg. racks A, B and C, then create a new rack G and route the output of racks A, B, C to this new group rack G, then you can control (and automate) the volume of racks A, B, C without touching them, just by simply tweaking the volume of group rack G.

I'll explain better:
I have a project/song with i.e. 10 or more racks with a good balance, but clip occours on the master channel.
I could send all the racks to a dedicated rack to tame the volume a bit leaving the same balance between tracks for sure.
the question is: is it the same if I put a amplifer module in the first slot of the master and tame the gain some db ?