Audio Units support in Mac OSX Tracktion 2?

[warp x]

I'm kind of looking forward to GMPI myself.

Me too: Jeff McLintock has expressed an interest in creating a future version of Synthedit, which will run under Linux, and export GMPI plugs.

Put that together with a GMPI hosting Linux version of Tracktion, and we can all kick Bill Jobs & Steve Gates out of our respective studios, and get back to talking about making music, instead of arguing about computer platforms..

which seems to be the thing that's going on here

[chico.co.uk]

If Apple, had made AU cross-platform, I'd have grinned a little cyncically, but jumped right on board if there were clear advantages over VST.

Apple and cross platform? Now that's just plain silly Valley, at least as long as Klu Klux clan leader Steve Job is at the helm...

Remember the very first thing Apple did when they bought Logic? Stop all development for the x86 platform. The second thing? Establish a timetable for dropping support for existing x86 users...

The only thing cross-platform now is QuickTime, and even that doesn't work as good as it does on Mac OS.

Personally, I would love to see OS X ported to x86, probably wouldn't even be so hard considering the Unix under layer, not sure if I would buy it myself but a professionally developed alternative to Microslut would be nice and Apple is in a position to make that happens; but that won't happen as long as papa Steve is at the helm...

Hmmm. Check this out then.

www.cherryos.com

I don't really get your "Apple is racist" undertones though, I'm missing the reference. Steve Jobs is in the Ku Klux Klan? When did that happen?

I also don't get why DHR32 doesn't install VSTs on his mac, apart from an apparent love of AU that he's not explained so far. In addition to blindly ignoring the repeated point that developing more CROSS PLATFORM features would be a better use of time.

Anyhoo, I don't care, I don't have a mac. And mac users with half a brain can install the vst versions of any AU they feel like using, so there isn't actually a problem.

[nuisance sonore]

I don't really get your "Apple is racist" undertones though, I'm missing the reference. Steve Jobs is in the Ku Klux Klan? When did that happen?

That was a sly remark about Jobs cutting development, then support to the x86 user base shortly after buying Logic; That could be taken as racism against us poor Window users, especially since, if what I’ve read is true, there were more Window than Mac users at the time.
Not to be taken literally, of course.

[DHR53]

If the AU version works fine, why would I install a duplicate version in another format? And all the plugs I use are in AU format anyway, why take up the system resources... I use Absynth, FM7, and Pro-53... Albino occasionally... they're all AU... and the PSP stuff!... ditto!

...Oh, you mean so I can use Tracktion... Maybe T2?

[chico.co.uk]

So, about that cross platform development time ...?

I wasn't aware that macs came with such small hard drives that you couldn't accomodate installing vsts, but hey, if that's too much of a drain on "system resources", it's your choice of platform, you makes your bed, you lie in it.

[ModuLR]

If the AU version works fine, why would I install a duplicate version in another format? And all the plugs I use are in AU format anyway, why take up the system resources... I use Absynth, FM7, and Pro-53... Albino occasionally... they're all AU... and the PSP stuff!... ditto!

...Oh, you mean so I can use Tracktion... Maybe T2?

So let me get this right... you've got VST versions of the plugs you use most and you boguht Tracktion (knowing it didn't have AU).. but you'd rather attention be focused on AU instead of general features that benefit us all. Nice! Makes total sense to me...

sorry, I'm being a

[DHR53]

How NI and LinPlug choose to market their plugs is of no concern to me... If they decide to make an AU AND a VST version, I use the AU version... I have (2) 250 gig HDs, which I could fill up with a ton of freeware and crap... As a rule, I try to limit what I put on my disks to stuff I actually use! I bought (and sold) Tracktion a long time ago when there were very few VSTs OR AUs on the Mac... And at this point, none of "VST only stuff" is worth using... Of course that's just my opnion... I'm not sure exactly, why you would think I should use BOTH versions?? Anyway, I'll try T2, (and if it works) AND supports AU... consider re-purchasing it again... Now who's Hard Drive is bigger?

[haydxn]

i wave my hand of almost-guarantee that Tracktion will NOT support AU.

and i wouldn't be surprised if it never did.

[DHR53]

3 DAWs on the Mac platform... 2 currently support AU! ...and Urs (he would know?) says one of those is going to be supporting AU shortly... Yamaha now owns Steinberg, and they have always supported the Mac platform...so it would seem that Tracktion would be the only Mac DAW that didn't support AU, unless of course, Tracktion is the one Urs is talking about? ...So, let's recap: Logic: AU, Live: AU, Cubase: AU... or Tracktion AU, and Steinberg remaining steadfast... how did you come up with your theory??

[haydxn]

because tracktion doesn't support other things that aren't cross platform standards. pc version hasn't got DX support, the video format used is QT (generally a good choice anyway tho, but obviously others COULD have been put in aswell), etc. unless a feature yet to be unveiled is that PC version will support DX and mac will support AU, i find it extremely unlikely that either will be supported.

it would be super to be proved wrong, of course. more people would be happy, but it's not the way tracktion has existed so far.

[GimpyChimp]

Firstly....I want to take back my "whining" comment about pcs being in 1st place to macs. I obviously had the wrong impression about the state of things on the mac-side, and in respect of Jules hard work I will take it that mac versions will be optimal in their own right compared to pc-versions (pc-only-users also "whine" more about macs being crap than anything else it seems). I own 2 pcs myself, and use Tracktion on them regulary, so I cant see the logic behind a statement as "you choose your platform knowingly" and so on and on...I like OSX for pro-apps and stability, I dont necessarily prefer it.
Would it be better to buy another software instead of Tracktion just because it doesnt support certain OS specific functions as opposed to buying Tracktion hoping that the developer fixes certain OS specific issus?

My original question only derived out of the fear that plugin developers would slowly only develop AU-versions of plugins for mac as Logic will be such a strong player.

However, I want to get back to the real question at hand that so many seem to have neglected as this post turned into a pc-vs-mac bashing-fest.

WILL TRACKTION 2 ON MAC SUPPORT AU-PLUGINS?

Plain and simple, please elaborate...will there? Lets hope so, there is still a chance it will be announced in a couple of days.

Thanks.

-Michael

[valley]

However, I want to get back to the real question at hand that so many seem to have neglected

neglected? There's only two people on this forum that can answer that, and they are releasing features when they are ready. Your question wasn't answered for the simple reason that none of us know.

[eluxtria]

Hey,

First time caller, long time listener.

FYI - VST was never an "open" format. This is the only reason why Apple felt it needed a plug-in format not controlled by a single DAW company. This was designed before Emagic was ever even considered for acquisition. Most host developers appear to despise VST because it lacks hosting documentation. Most plug-in developers think they love VST because its so popular and ubiquitous. Truth is, many plug-in developers find it to be a mixed blessing. On the one hand, they have a cross platform technology, but on the other hand each host handles VST slightly different, making it impossible to actually make one plug-in for all hosts. I've heard from multiple vst programmers that exceptions have to be made for nearly every host, making it a bit of a nightmare to QA their plug-ins. This is why Apple decided to create a truely open and uniform plug-in format for OS X. Everything is exposed as quickly as they can write the technical docs. The idea is to take the competitive advantage away from one DAW manufacturer and give an equal opportunity to all developers. Now, since this happened, Apple acquired Emagic and with it two DAWs and a CD mastering application. They've also created GarageBand, Soundtrack and now Soundtrack Pro. This would make it easy to believe that there is some kind of long range conspiracy in play, but the truth is, Apple simply wants a platform which is healthy and which has some outstanding tools for creating music which WILL NOT leave the platform or be used strategically against them. Well, I think in the end, we users are the ones who benefit the most. If you are a macintosh user, you know that you will have applications which are optimized specifically for your CPU and OS. Acid Pro and Sonar and Fruity Loops users enjoy similar benefits from being built around M$ APIs. The idea is you can play up the great strenths of a platform by not tryning to be all things to all users on all platforms.

I think the transition to a new plug-in technology is always tricky, but the beneficiaries are us users. We haven't seen many AUs come out which demonstrate the benefits of the new format, but it is, according to plug-in developers I speak with, a newer, superior "modern" native plug-in format.

Well, this is turning into a rant more than anything. But I hoped that I could provide some context for this conversation about Audio Units support. I look forward to seeing this support appear in a future version of Tracktion !

Cheers

[semiquaver]

yes, AU please!

[semiquaver]

with AU (and apple-loops unfortunately....) T could be marketed as the next "step up from garageband" and compete as a low-cost, cross-platform alternative to Logic Express.