Thanks, got the files. It seems that this is also the new JSON format, I wasn't aware that this exists for XPM as well. Needs to be adapted to make it work...undox wrote: Sat May 16, 2026 7:45 pm no, the keygroups or drumprograms are made with Sample from an ssd or audio sample, for example:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/s577zm6h ... u3e5e&dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/9inzxv58 ... 0bg9z&dl=0
[FREE] ConvertWithMoss - convert from/to WAV,Bitwig,SFZ,SF2,DecentSampler,MPC/Force,Wave-/Modwave/KMP,NKI,EXS) v17.1
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4868 posts since 13 May, 2004
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4868 posts since 13 May, 2004
All good, will be supported in the next update...undox wrote: Mon May 18, 2026 7:08 pm Thanks Jürgen for the reply,
I'll be wait for an Update, if want more examples let me know.
best Carsten
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- KVRer
- 4 posts since 15 May, 2026
Hey Jürgen, as you mentioned, Akai has updated the MPC Program File Format:
“MPC program files are now saved in the MPC3 file format (JSON), aligning program data with the rest of the MPC file ecosystem.”
This applies to the latest MPC Series version 3.9, which is currently in beta.
It might be beneficial to support both formats in your tool, since not every user will update immediately. Alternatively, an automatic format detection feature could be a good solution as well.
“MPC program files are now saved in the MPC3 file format (JSON), aligning program data with the rest of the MPC file ecosystem.”
This applies to the latest MPC Series version 3.9, which is currently in beta.
It might be beneficial to support both formats in your tool, since not every user will update immediately. Alternatively, an automatic format detection feature could be a good solution as well.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4868 posts since 13 May, 2004
Already in place and ready for next updateundox wrote: Tue May 19, 2026 1:12 pm Hey Jürgen, as you mentioned, Akai has updated the MPC Program File Format:
“MPC program files are now saved in the MPC3 file format (JSON), aligning program data with the rest of the MPC file ecosystem.”
This applies to the latest MPC Series version 3.9, which is currently in beta.
It might be beneficial to support both formats in your tool, since not every user will update immediately. Alternatively, an automatic format detection feature could be a good solution as well.
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- KVRer
- 1 posts since 26 May, 2020
Is it possible to convert and have the converted preset in the same folder ?
Typically normally with convert with moss, to convert, let say dspreset to sfz you have
folder_input
|--moog.dspreset
|--wav_folder/moog_sample*.wav
| -- ...
with output :
folder_output
|--moog.sfz
|--wav_folder/moog_sample*.wav
|-- ...
But I want
folder_input
|--moog.dspreset
|--moog.sfz
|--wav_folder/moog_sample*.wav
| -- ...
The reason is that my sampler librairie is quite huge (more than 80 GB, mostly stuff a friend of mine sampled, and a few patch I did myself)
and I don't want to copy the samples files but have several sampler format so I can use
my librairie with different sampler
Question : if is set output = input, does it work ? Does it handle correctly the fact not to copy ?
Typically normally with convert with moss, to convert, let say dspreset to sfz you have
folder_input
|--moog.dspreset
|--wav_folder/moog_sample*.wav
| -- ...
with output :
folder_output
|--moog.sfz
|--wav_folder/moog_sample*.wav
|-- ...
But I want
folder_input
|--moog.dspreset
|--moog.sfz
|--wav_folder/moog_sample*.wav
| -- ...
The reason is that my sampler librairie is quite huge (more than 80 GB, mostly stuff a friend of mine sampled, and a few patch I did myself)
and I don't want to copy the samples files but have several sampler format so I can use
my librairie with different sampler
Question : if is set output = input, does it work ? Does it handle correctly the fact not to copy ?
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- KVRAF
- 14738 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
I do not know if this has been brought up so far - but I'd love to see two formats converted. Well, three. But I only have 2 of those tools in my backups.
1) LinPlug RM IV (link is to the RM V page on KVR)
2) Muon Software / Computer Music SR-202
While "OneSmallClue" was still around, I asked the dev if he could make it possible to load samples from the SR-202. A couple of emails later, this was implemented with a free update. Apparently, it was WAV files in a custom container (format .202). I dug through my archives just now, I could extract the files to WAV via "OneSmallClue Poise". But other than that, Poise is now sadly way too small UI wise and became glitchy in more recent DAW. (which is why I moved on to other drum samplers)
LinPlug's RM4 and RM5 on the other hand... had great drum kits, but were sadly discontinued in 2017 (that's almost 9 years now... man did we make a massive leap in the software realm since then). I never found a way to extract the RM IV kits - or rather, that one Python thing (dermiv) doesn't work on Windows. There was never an easy conversion tool.
It would be great to see these two formats be implemented. This way I could recover some old song projects...maybe.
Thank you for your efforts.
1) LinPlug RM IV (link is to the RM V page on KVR)
2) Muon Software / Computer Music SR-202
While "OneSmallClue" was still around, I asked the dev if he could make it possible to load samples from the SR-202. A couple of emails later, this was implemented with a free update. Apparently, it was WAV files in a custom container (format .202). I dug through my archives just now, I could extract the files to WAV via "OneSmallClue Poise". But other than that, Poise is now sadly way too small UI wise and became glitchy in more recent DAW. (which is why I moved on to other drum samplers)
LinPlug's RM4 and RM5 on the other hand... had great drum kits, but were sadly discontinued in 2017 (that's almost 9 years now... man did we make a massive leap in the software realm since then). I never found a way to extract the RM IV kits - or rather, that one Python thing (dermiv) doesn't work on Windows. There was never an easy conversion tool.
It would be great to see these two formats be implemented. This way I could recover some old song projects...maybe.
Thank you for your efforts.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4868 posts since 13 May, 2004
Simply copy both output folders into one.dissofiddle wrote: Thu May 21, 2026 3:10 pm Is it possible to convert and have the converted preset in the same folder ?
Typically normally with convert with moss, to convert, let say dspreset to sfz you have
folder_input
|--moog.dspreset
|--wav_folder/moog_sample*.wav
| -- ...
with output :
folder_output
|--moog.sfz
|--wav_folder/moog_sample*.wav
|-- ...
But I want
folder_input
|--moog.dspreset
|--moog.sfz
|--wav_folder/moog_sample*.wav
| -- ...
The reason is that my sampler librairie is quite huge (more than 80 GB, mostly stuff a friend of mine sampled, and a few patch I did myself)
and I don't want to copy the samples files but have several sampler format so I can use
my librairie with different sampler
Question : if is set output = input, does it work ? Does it handle correctly the fact not to copy ?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4868 posts since 13 May, 2004
Highly unlikely since these are very niche and also cannot handle multi-samples. Therefore, these would only qualify to be read.Compyfox wrote: Tue May 26, 2026 7:47 am I do not know if this has been brought up so far - but I'd love to see two formats converted. Well, three. But I only have 2 of those tools in my backups.
1) LinPlug RM IV (link is to the RM V page on KVR)
2) Muon Software / Computer Music SR-202
While "OneSmallClue" was still around, I asked the dev if he could make it possible to load samples from the SR-202. A couple of emails later, this was implemented with a free update. Apparently, it was WAV files in a custom container (format .202). I dug through my archives just now, I could extract the files to WAV via "OneSmallClue Poise". But other than that, Poise is now sadly way too small UI wise and became glitchy in more recent DAW. (which is why I moved on to other drum samplers)
LinPlug's RM4 and RM5 on the other hand... had great drum kits, but were sadly discontinued in 2017 (that's almost 9 years now... man did we make a massive leap in the software realm since then). I never found a way to extract the RM IV kits - or rather, that one Python thing (dermiv) doesn't work on Windows. There was never an easy conversion tool.
It would be great to see these two formats be implemented. This way I could recover some old song projects...maybe.
Thank you for your efforts.
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- KVRAF
- 14738 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
I didn't mean convert "to"... But convert "from".
Meaning... I'd love to have an option to extract all the RM4 samples and then convert it to TAL Drum.
The SR-202 samples I could extract with OneSmallClue's Poise. The drum hits were individual WAV samples. Easy to drag and drop and make new kits.
That option, but for RM4 / RM5, would already help a lot. Again, the Python script thing (dermiv) doesn't work on Windows, and I'm not a programmer to dive deeper and figure something out.
Although I do understand the core idea of ConvertWithMoss is to focus on "samplers" (e.g. Akai S1000, Kontakt, TAL Sampler, etc), not "drum samplers"/groove boxes (e.g. Akai MPC, Elektron <various>, TAL-Drum, Image Line Groove Machine, etc).
Meaning... I'd love to have an option to extract all the RM4 samples and then convert it to TAL Drum.
The SR-202 samples I could extract with OneSmallClue's Poise. The drum hits were individual WAV samples. Easy to drag and drop and make new kits.
That option, but for RM4 / RM5, would already help a lot. Again, the Python script thing (dermiv) doesn't work on Windows, and I'm not a programmer to dive deeper and figure something out.
Although I do understand the core idea of ConvertWithMoss is to focus on "samplers" (e.g. Akai S1000, Kontakt, TAL Sampler, etc), not "drum samplers"/groove boxes (e.g. Akai MPC, Elektron <various>, TAL-Drum, Image Line Groove Machine, etc).
