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sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Mon May 25, 2026 9:18 am

Neither am I... we might get there someday. who knows?

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Mon May 25, 2026 10:24 am

jens wrote: Mon May 25, 2026 1:00 amWhat part of "for that it first has to be recognized as a piece of art, which for something as utilitarian as a guitar body is so far unheard of" do you have troubles to get your head around?

Art isn't the only thing you can copyright. The "copy" in "copyright refers to words on a page, which can be creative or purely factual. e.g. What journalists submit to their editor is called "copy" and people who get paid to write things for marketing, advertising and other similar things are called copy writers. It doesn't have to be a work of art, it simply has to be original work of some kind.

I think you understand fairly well the difference between design patents and copyright and what the general idea behind each of these two is, and what kind of creations both are meant for.

It's not so much what kinds of creations as it is what kinds of businesses. Copyrighted material must exist on a physical medium - book, CD or a block of wood. So you can't, for example, copyright a song you've made up in your head until you write it down. OTOH, you can file for a patent before you actually create the thing you want to patent. i.e. You can patent an idea but you can't own copyright on one.

You simply prefer to remain ignorant - for whatever reason. So you do you.
But if you at some point decide to be as wild and crazy as to get your head out of your arse for a radical change, I left some links here in this thread for you to ponder.

What did the f**king court have to say about it, genius? Did they side with your incorrect definition or did they decide that Fender's copyright had been breached? Surely that settles the argument, FFS!?!

soulata · Post by **soulata** » Mon May 25, 2026 4:11 pm

I'd still like to buy a few Fender guitars and bass guitars. Sorry.

Not expecting much from the next update, latest version works fine here.

J Veronica · Post by **J Veronica** » Mon May 25, 2026 9:07 pm

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ShawnG · Post by **ShawnG** » Thu May 28, 2026 5:42 pm

BONES wrote: Mon May 25, 2026 10:24 am
What did the f**king court have to say about it, genius? Did they side with your incorrect definition or did they decide that Fender's copyright had been breached? Surely that settles the argument, FFS!?!

The courts in thoroughly litigated legal proceedings in 2009 ruled that the design of the guitar was generic and uncopyrightable. The court case in Germany that serves as Fender's current casus belli was NOT thoroughly litigated. The defense did not appear or make arguments, as it was a small Chinese drop shipper. it's a default judgement. There is very little legal expectation that Fender would win an actual case against any competent council for the merits, as there is longstanding contrary legal precedent to the contrary of Fender's assertions. Which is why Fender went after the drop shipper and NOT after any of the folks that it's serving with C&Ds now. Hell, it wouldn't even surprise me to find that Fender funded the drop shipper just to make a nice straw target for themselves. also, the decision was in a regional German court, and it's applicability to the wider world is questionable. and international cooperation on issues of intellectual property should take into consideration of the 2009 verdict over the default judgement just achieved.

But not having a legal leg to stand on does not keep you from trying to lawyer whip the situation to your advantage. The smaller builders can win a court case and still go out of business from legal costs involved in winning. but that's a strategy I have no issue standing firmly against. I like Studio one, I'll miss it. Used it for a lot of stuff over the years, and I've kept updating it since version 3, but that stops now. It's a Cubase clone anyway right? down to hiring personnel from Steinberg?

J Veronica · Post by **J Veronica** » Fri May 29, 2026 8:59 am

Advertising 3-4 updates a year to justify the 12 month update plan, and then only managing 1 update in the past year is some diabolical work.

On the S1 Forum a developer has said that Studio One/Pro is "just one of many apps" they work on.

Is our $99 funding these other apps?

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri May 29, 2026 11:08 am

What? We've had a whole new version in the last 6 months. At most we might be owed one update, which could drop tomorrow for all anyone knows. And the thing is, most of the time the updates are pointless anyway, just a few bug fixes and "refinements" that may or may not be useful to anyone.

soulata · Post by **soulata** » Fri May 29, 2026 11:48 am

BONES wrote: Fri May 29, 2026 11:08 am What? We've had a whole new version in the last 6 months. At most we might be owed one update, which could drop tomorrow for all anyone knows. And the thing is, most of the time the updates are pointless anyway, just a few bug fixes and "refinements" that may or may not be useful to anyone.

You are right, imho. I don't expect anything major to happen before the new version (v9). Even then...

But they did change from the free updates from one version to the next to only a year of updates with a "promise", to deliver 3 to 4 meaniningful updates in the span of one year.

That clearly won't happen.

But that's ok. I'm perfectly fine with v8 as it is.

heliacal · Post by **heliacal** » Fri May 29, 2026 2:51 pm

I think they will drop the update when they release the Fender Motion controllers.

ChrisDW · Post by **ChrisDW** » Fri May 29, 2026 5:42 pm

All signs point to next week for 8.1 and Fender Motion 16 / 32

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri May 29, 2026 11:04 pm

soulata wrote: Fri May 29, 2026 11:48 am But they did change from the free updates from one version to the next to only a year of updates with a "promise", to deliver 3 to 4 meaniningful updates in the span of one year.

That clearly won't happen.

We don't know that. For all anyone knows there could be one problematic issue that's delayed the next update but that won't necessarily affect following updates. It's all pure speculation.

Fornicras · Post by **Fornicras** » Sat May 30, 2026 3:33 pm

ChrisDW wrote: Fri May 29, 2026 5:42 pm All signs point to next week for 8.1 and Fender Motion 16 / 32

It's about damn time, waiting to replace my Atom with these.

electro · Post by **electro** » Sat May 30, 2026 3:58 pm

ChrisDW wrote: Fri May 29, 2026 5:42 pm All signs point to next week for 8.1 and Fender Motion 16 / 32

Is a Faderport 16 refresh anywhere in the near future?

ffx · Post by **ffx** » Sat May 30, 2026 4:12 pm

ChrisDW wrote: Fri May 29, 2026 5:42 pm All signs point to next week for 8.1 and Fender Motion 16 / 32

Why that?

Vocalpoint Studios · Post by **Vocalpoint Studios** » Sun May 31, 2026 8:13 pm

J Veronica wrote: Fri May 29, 2026 8:59 am Advertising 3-4 updates a year to justify the 12 month update plan, and then only managing 1 update in the past year is some diabolical work.

Advertising? "Who" exactly is advertising?

If you think that goofy video from Sept 2024 and any of it's "announcements" are still valid here in mid 2026 (like " x number of updates per year" ) - that died long ago.

Now that Fender is officially on the badge and Presonus is not - we are back to the old school method (circa v6) and have been since v8 came out - which is : "When an update is ready - we get it".

No one over there is keeping count of how many updates we get or when we get them - that is certain

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