Mark Mothersbaugh on Classic Hardware vs Software Emulations

[TechHaus]

Maybe he forgot to switch to his sock account?

[vbrother]

Maybe he forgot to switch to his sock account?

He's got a sock account too?

[vurt]

This just might be the most perfect KVR thread ever, and something Devo would be proud of! I'm trying to think of a KVR trope that isn't covered here and I'm at a loss? I suppose no one's argued theory yet, that's about it.

i know bones said he'd lost weight, but this is the first photo evidence.

[stoopicus]

Is that like their Bez?

Actually, yes, if Bez did fewer drugs and more of things like sticking forks in toasters

[stoopicus]

Maybe he forgot to switch to his sock account?

Nah, actually, I realized my first post could have been ambiguous about what I was trying to say and then decided (and failed) to make a joke about it.

Maybe he forgot to switch to his sock account?

He's got a sock account too?

wait how did you log in to my sockpuppet? I'm telling the mods!

[_leras]

Again it's the venues responsibility and the venues I play in which are either churches, dedicated wedding venues, private property, or social halls, all have blanket licenses or don't need any at license at all.

Yeah well hopefully these godly organizations pay the fees so that the artists you rely on get paid. As far as those that don't need to pay the fee, lucky you right? You're a f**king freeloader.

Whaaat?? He's hardly Spotify.

In a world where live music is disappearing, how can you complain about a wedding musician earning a living.

Smh...

[_leras]

People pay for concert tickets to hear live music not prerecorded tracks being played by bands who pretend it's live. By your logic why have a band at all? Why not just have a a guy play the record straight through on the stage. Just walk out and hit play on a CD player and walk off. How many tickets do you think that would sell and at what price?

Hopefully it will be as live as possible, but for electronic music it can be very hard, if not impossible for an artist or band to do this.

I fully expect this if I go to see an electronic artist. Hopefully they'll have some leeway with the audio, but even if not I am happy to see their music in the best form it can be along with other fans of the music. The sounds, the lights the atmosphere all make it worthwhile.

I'm also not too upset if a live band has backing tracks for some parts that the recorded but can't play live.

I hope artists do their best to put on a show though.

[TechHaus]

I saw stereolab recently no click and live synth parts.

[machinesworking]

Puritans are weird.

electronic music is up against DJ's and DJ's won that battle, at least in clubs. No one comes to live music nights, they come to 80's night, deep house etc. etc. The audience for electronic music absolutely expect it to sound just like on the record, far more unforgiving than the rock music crowd IMO.

You are not dragging your Modular system to a live show, you're not convincing 7 other keyboardists and drummers etc. to play the simple backing tracks. The argument for everything being live is far dumber in terms of electronic music than anyone seems to have logically thought out. Some people literally create everything with a mouse and a laptop, no keys or controllers involved.

Top 40 cover bands exist, thinking somehow that playing other peoples music you didn't write makes you more of a musician than someone who uses AI to augment their music or backing tracks is a bigger stretch than every stretch my cat did combined.... The only way I can describe that is two plastic cups fighting.

I'm going to do a live electronics show where very little is even sequenced beforehand, but my main project will involve loops in the MPC and/or Ableton. Onstage I've mostly played guitar. I don't see any of it as less than, because I'm not a puritan weirdo.

[stoopicus]

Puritans are weird.

Totally. The weirdo argument against sequencing doesn't make any sense whatsoever for electronic music, and didn't in the '80s either, for any band with synths that did more than simple pads.

[VOODOO U]

In a world where live music is disappearing, how can you complain about a wedding musician earning a living.

On one end there's complains about A.I. stealing from artists and on the other it's ok to play other artists works, get paid, and not pay a cent to the original songwriters of those works.
While we're at it why don't we go to a grocery store and, instead of taking a whole loaf of bread, we'll only take two slices. I mean it's not like the bread company is going to go out of business right? It's just two slices and we gotta eat.

Slipknot is right. People=shit.

[TechHaus]

People pay for concert tickets to hear live music not prerecorded tracks being played by bands who pretend it's live. By your logic why have a band at all? Why not just have a a guy play the record straight through on the stage. Just walk out and hit play on a CD player and walk off. How many tickets do you think that would sell and at what price?

This is how a lot of modern / soundcloud rappers perform. They will rap right over their ummmm.. CD's. (What year is Ivy stuck in?)

A lot of people pay. They sing along. It's like a big communal event.

[El°HYM]

People pay for concert tickets to hear live music not prerecorded tracks being played by bands who pretend it's live. By your logic why have a band at all? Why not just have a a guy play the record straight through on the stage. Just walk out and hit play on a CD player and walk off. How many tickets do you think that would sell and at what price?

This is how a lot of modern / soundcloud rappers perform. They will rap right over their ummmm.. CD's. (What year is Ivy stuck in?)

A lot of people pay. They sing along. It's like a big communal event.

BoC gave their last concert on May 1, 2001. They have released 5 Albums in 28 years. Not much more is known.

[sQeetz]

My observation is that young people in general treat music more like background stuff in games and/or movies and shows. Not by itself

[TechHaus]

People pay for concert tickets to hear live music not prerecorded tracks being played by bands who pretend it's live. By your logic why have a band at all? Why not just have a a guy play the record straight through on the stage. Just walk out and hit play on a CD player and walk off. How many tickets do you think that would sell and at what price?

This is how a lot of modern / soundcloud rappers perform. They will rap right over their ummmm.. CD's. (What year is Ivy stuck in?)

A lot of people pay. They sing along. It's like a big communal event.

BoC gave their last concert on May 1, 2001. They have released 5 Albums in 28 years. Not much more is known.

I don't know which other services show streaming numbers, but the album is a bomb on YouTube Music. And that's with like sooo much promotion - everyone wrote / talked about their album on every medium.

Conversely, if they toured they would make BANK right now.

Unfortunately recorded music has become the loss leader for touring.

Last night on my walk home from the studio, I passed the arena in our city, and there were soooo many normies filing in. I was like hmmmm...what event is this?

"Alex Warren"

A Youtuber / Tiktoker....who I had never heard of...selling out an arena. Wild.

I know when Youtuber "Charlie Puth" had a "hit", the label spent 2 years trying to figure out how to make him palatable live. They gave him months of dance lessons and figured out he can't move. Tried to stand him up in front of a mic stand and he looked like an awkward dweeb. Finally they figured out he can sit at a piano and that worked out.

Off-topic-ish, just spitballing about how live is where the money is. And no I don't like those kinds of music, but I am fascinated by when social media stars cross over into other mediums.

I hope people are buying physical vinyl copies of the BoC album so they can make a couple hundred grand off the hype, at least. They could make more in like 2-3 shows! (I have a few of their old records on vinyl so I supported).

I would estimate they made around $14k as the high number on Youtube streaming.