GForce Sequential Prophet-5

[IvyBirds]

Huh? Number of octaves has nothing to do with whether a keybed is high quality or not. By that standard the Williams 88-key "piano" we bought for the kids ages ago is premium As a player you should know that the number of octaves has nothing to do with anything other than the...number of octaves. And a Bosendorfer Imperial Grand is better than a Steinway because it's got some extra keys too right? Lordy.

Oh I see you are deliberately misrepresenting what my point was. Not all that surprising. You said

"The hardware is about as premium as it gets"

only that's not true at all. Even if you don't see the advantages of a bigger keybed the Prophet 5 Rev 4 uses the Fatar TP 9/S. That is the budget line of Fatar keyboards, to get as Premium as it gets you would need to have the Fatar TP/8S. As for needing more than 61 keys the Prophet 10 and the Gforce Prophet 5 are bi-timbral with a split point. With 61 keys one timbre will have a maximum of 30 keys while the other has a maximum of 31. Meaning that each timbre can only play 2.5 octaves per timbre. How is that as premium as it gets for a player?

Fatar makes 76 key keybeds that have synth action. That would give you 38 keys. As a player how can you not see that is better?

and the keyboard itself is just a Fatar 61 keybed. Very nice for sure but lots of MIDI Controllers and Synths have the same keyboard. My 88 key Montage M blows it away however

Your Montage M keybed isn't a synth action so "blows it away" isn't even a relevant comment. It's like saying the action in my Kawai digital upright blows away the keys on the P-5. Makes no sense. Prophet-5 is an analog synthesizer, not a workstation instrument built for piano players. (and for the record Fatar has multiple lines of 61-key actions).

Yes they do have multiple lines and Sequential took the cheap route and didn't get the premium one. And for Bi timbral instruments more keys is better

And you are correct the full experience of using the hardware isn't matched by the software and a generic controller. It completely blows away the hardware because it does way more and can be configured exactly how you want it to be configured. If you really want physical controls why would you not want the best experience possible? Why would you settle for whatever Sequential think you should have laid out the way they think you should use them

Because they designed the instrument. Why should you "settle" for how your Montage M is laid out?

Only the Montage M was designed to be user customizable. I can set it up however I want pretty much everything is programable to do whatever I want. But beyond that saying that Sequential designed it that way, doesn't address why you are settling for that. Don't you want the experience to be about as premium as it gets? It never ceases to amaze me how people will say how import physical controls are and then turn around and just blindly accept what the hardware manufacturer decides to give you in the layout they choose

[IvyBirds]

Huh? Number of octaves has nothing to do with whether a keybed is high quality or not. By that standard the Williams 88-key "piano" we bought for the kids ages ago is premium As a player you should know that the number of octaves has nothing to do with anything other than the...number of octaves. And a Bosendorfer Imperial Grand is better than a Steinway because it's got some extra keys too right? Lordy.

Oh I see you are deliberately misrepresenting what my point was. Not all that surprising. You said

"The hardware is about as premium as it gets"

only that's not true at all. Even if you don't see the advantages of a bigger keybed the Prophet 5 Rev 4 uses the Fatar TP 9/S. That is the budget line of Fatar keyboards, to get as Premium as it gets you would need to have the Fatar TP/8S. As for needing more than 61 keys the Prophet 10 and the Gforce Prophet 5 are bi-timbral with a split point. With 61 keys one timbre will have a maximum of 30 keys while the other has a maximum of 31. Meaning that each timbre can only play 2.5 octaves per timbre. How is that as premium as it gets for a player?

Fatar makes 76 key keybeds that have synth action. That would give you 38 keys. As a player how can you not see that is better?

and the keyboard itself is just a Fatar 61 keybed. Very nice for sure but lots of MIDI Controllers and Synths have the same keyboard. My 88 key Montage M blows it away however

Your Montage M keybed isn't a synth action so "blows it away" isn't even a relevant comment. It's like saying the action in my Kawai digital upright blows away the keys on the P-5. Makes no sense. Prophet-5 is an analog synthesizer, not a workstation instrument built for piano players. (and for the record Fatar has multiple lines of 61-key actions).

Yes they do have multiple lines and Sequential took the cheap route and didn't get the premium one. And for Bi timbral instruments more keys is better

And you are correct the full experience of using the hardware isn't matched by the software and a generic controller. It completely blows away the hardware because it does way more and can be configured exactly how you want it to be configured. If you really want physical controls why would you not want the best experience possible? Why would you settle for whatever Sequential think you should have laid out the way they think you should use them

Because they designed the instrument. Why should you "settle" for how your Montage M is laid out?

Only the Montage M was designed to be user customizable. I can set it up however I want pretty much everything is programable to do whatever I want. But beyond that saying that Sequential designed it that way, doesn't address why you are settling for that. Don't you want the experience to be about as premium as it gets? It never ceases to amaze me how people will say how import physical controls are and then turn around and just blindly accept what the hardware manufacturer decides to give you in the layout they choose

[Jamface]

So much arguing going on here!

[gaf_thit]

So much arguing going on here!

Then the plugin have to be good. Plugin quarrels equals quality? Wouldn't quarrel over something that wasn't good to begin with, right?
Not close to This/That plugin or One-Ping-Only, but close... full circle.

[D-Fusion]

So much arguing going on here!

Yep. It is the regular people making a thread about them instead of staying on the topic after a few pages.
Back in the day people called Gearslut/Gearspace a Toxic place but these days it is KVR that has started to be that place so i am not surprised that most companies that had their own page here started to run in the other direction.

It is like a breath of fresh air when i go to Gearspace now.
People need to learn that one setup doesn't work for another person and accept that instead of fighting over who has the correct setup that everyone should use.

A Studio setup only matters to the user and what they prefer to use when they sit down to play a few notes or make a full song so it is time to let go and enjoy what you have Instead and buy the things you like.

This new Prophet 5 Emulation is kind of unique because of it's strong Analog behavior so It is a bit different than the Other ones but they all sound good in their own way.

[banal65]

I tried to ask that already on page 12, but then the huge discussion took over everything. So maybe anyone has an answer for me? Thank you very much
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Program change is not working here neither in vst2 (Cubase, Reaper) or in standalone mode. Other gforce plugins using the same system are working fine with program changes. Did anyone get this feature to work?
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[SoftSynthLover99]

So much arguing going on here!

This new Prophet 5 Emulation is kind of unique because of it's strong Analog behavior so It is a bit different than the Other ones but they all sound good in their own way.

This is definitely more like the hardware even designing your own patches it behaves as close to the hardware as any of the previous plugin. Makes u-he repro seem a bit outdated doing a side by side comparison. It’s really a great plugin.

Anyone else have issues with resonance behavior being a bit weird with filter 1/2? Could be how it’s designed but idk seems a bit off.

[zvenx]

I tried to ask that already on page 12, but then the huge discussion took over everything. So maybe anyone has an answer for me? Thank you very much
>>>>>
Program change is not working here neither in vst2 (Cubase, Reaper) or in standalone mode. Other gforce plugins using the same system are working fine with program changes. Did anyone get this feature to work?
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I saw it. But sorry i don't use pc in software synths.
rsp

[D-Fusion]

So much arguing going on here!

This new Prophet 5 Emulation is kind of unique because of it's strong Analog behavior so It is a bit different than the Other ones but they all sound good in their own way.

This is definitely more like the hardware even designing your own patches it behaves as close to the hardware as any of the previous plugin. Makes u-he repro seem a bit outdated doing a side by side comparison. It’s really a great plugin.

Anyone else have issues with resonance behavior being a bit weird with filter 1/2? Could be how it’s designed but idk seems a bit off.

I guess it is how that filter works
A trick to make it sound better is to have the filter key knob set to max so the filter open up a bit more which is a trick i use on Oberheims and Prophets that tend to sound a bit muffled/muted when filter key tracking is off.

[234north]

So much arguing going on here!

Yep. It is the regular people making a thread about them instead of staying on the topic after a few pages.
Back in the day people called Gearslut/Gearspace a Toxic place but these days it is KVR that has started to be that place so i am not surprised that most companies that had their own page here started to run in the other direction.

Dude I've been on KvR since 2004 as you have. It's been like this from day one with fools like IvyBirds saying things just to hear themselves talk. Notice that IvyBirds didn't quote anything when called out on the fact that he wasn't talking about a Prophet-5 when he wasn't even getting the layout of the panel right. He just ignored it and moved on. He's a troll. He's been ignored as of now.

It's gotten worse since VSTs became a normal thing and the emulations have gotten better. Is any of it toxic? No, it's nerds arguing about nerd things, or just trolling (see IvyBirds). That's been happening since newsgroups were a thing.