UVI Rumble: multiband bass Synthesizer

[otristan]

I know i can mute other bands to play 1 oscillator, but Solo button would be really more handy.

that's what the band expand does

[otristan]

nop. host position synced or real free ? you can use Analog Drift depending on your usage though

For me that's a massive omission, I can't think of any other popular synth with this limitation. I had a go with analog drift but it didn't seem to offer sound design options that would compensate.

Edit, sorry, I meant real free.

Not saying it will never be there though. it's 1.0.0.
I think UVI have a proven record of updating synth

[exmatproton]

I dont like that you cannot solo the band or also just run oscillator in full band or just switch bands for experimentation, for example - assign low oscillator to play high band.

You can just run 1 osc at a time. You don't have to use that MB approach at all. However, you then have only 1 osc. For some reason you cannot run all three osc's full band

thats what i said

I dont like that you cannot solo the band or also just run oscillator in full band

I know i can mute other bands to play 1 oscillator, but Solo button would be really more handy.

But you can run an osc in full band. So....

"or also just run oscillator in full band" <- is false. Because you can. That was my point.

[jaesm]

Noticed a couple annoying UI things.
-Unsaved changes dialog pops up everytime I tweak a setting and try to change presets. There needs to be an option to disable this.
-Plugin preferences revert to default when loading a new instance.
I'm on mac.

1. fixed in upcoming 1.0.1
2. What is Plugin preferences ?

Good news about 1.
On the preferences, I had virtual keyboard, tooltips, and spectrum all set to 'hide' and whenever I opened a new instance of Rumble, they'd all revert back to 'show'.
When I tried it again this morning, it's keeping those preferences as expected. I'll write it off as something on my end for now and do a ticket if it happens again. Cheers.

[Lbdunequest]

I dont like that you cannot solo the band or also just run oscillator in full band or just switch bands for experimentation, for example - assign low oscillator to play high band.

You can just run 1 osc at a time. You don't have to use that MB approach at all. However, you then have only 1 osc. For some reason you cannot run all three osc's full band

thats what i said

I dont like that you cannot solo the band or also just run oscillator in full band

I know i can mute other bands to play 1 oscillator, but Solo button would be really more handy.

But you can run an osc in full band. So....

"or also just run oscillator in full band" <- is false. Because you can. That was my point.

How can i do that with lets way low oscillator? Ir i want to expand it it doesnt let me fully widen then band

[exmatproton]

I dont like that you cannot solo the band or also just run oscillator in full band or just switch bands for experimentation, for example - assign low oscillator to play high band.

You can just run 1 osc at a time. You don't have to use that MB approach at all. However, you then have only 1 osc. For some reason you cannot run all three osc's full band

thats what i said

I dont like that you cannot solo the band or also just run oscillator in full band

I know i can mute other bands to play 1 oscillator, but Solo button would be really more handy.

But you can run an osc in full band. So....

"or also just run oscillator in full band" <- is false. Because you can. That was my point.

How can i do that with lets way low oscillator? Ir i want to expand it it doesnt let me fully widen then band

You can press the <--> button on whichever osc you want to "solo/full band".

[Lbdunequest]

You can press the <--> button on whichever osc you want to "solo/full band".

Thank you!

[BONES]

Ability to have each oscillator split in to bands is not novel, but indeed this is unique since you don't have to do that manually inside the synth with routing

Name one other synth that allows this. AFAIK, PhasePlant would require a complex set-up whereby you'd have to band filter three FX lanes separately and if you wanted to change or modulate the cross-overs, you'd have to do it for each lane separately.

I dont like that you cannot solo the band or also just run oscillator in full band.

Except you can do exactly that by pressing the arrow button next to the oscillator label. If you want to solo it in its band, you have to press mute twice (for the other bands.). Hardly the end of the world.

switch bands for experimentation

Hardly necessary when setting up an oscillator is so easy. There are only a handful of osc settings to copy across, it would take seconds, probably less time that it would take to scroll down all the modules in PhasePlant to find the ones you want to switch lanes.

I know i can mute other bands to play 1 oscillator, but Solo button would be really more handy.

Yes, pressing two buttons is so much more effort than pressing one. You're just nitpicking, especially when you suggest something as complex and annoying as PhasePlant is a better alternative.

For me that's a massive omission, I can't think of any other popular synth with this limitation.

And I honestly can't think of a situation where that has ever been an issue for me in 40+ years of patching synths. I'm sure it must have come up once or twice over the years, it's a good way of hiding sloppy playing, but it's not like I don't have another 100 VSTi if I need something one of them can't do.

[chagzuki]

And I honestly can't think of a situation where that has ever been an issue for me in 40+ years of patching synths. I'm sure it must have come up once or twice over the years, it's a good way of hiding sloppy playing, but it's not like I don't have another 100 VSTi if I need something one of them can't do.

Wouldn't you prefer fully functional LFOs on this synth? I use those missing functions pretty much all the time, in almost every patch. I have no idea how free running or randomised phase LFOs relates to sloppy playing. If I wanted a fixed phase retriggering modulator I'd most likely reach for an envelope of some kind, and given that the MSEGs can loop there's almost no point in having the gimped LFOs. A very small coding addition would open up a huge range of sound design options.

[BONES]

As far as I'm concerned they are fully functional. Honestly, I wouldn't know if any other synth I own has this feature or not. It's of absolutely no interest to me.

Actually, looking at the LFOs now, you can set the phase, which means you can modulate it with one of the random generators to get random phase start and it has a legato mode that stops the LFO from retriggering with a new note. That seems pretty comprehensive to me so what else, exactly, do you need?

Noticed a couple annoying UI things.
-Unsaved changes dialog pops up everytime I tweak a setting and try to change presets. There needs to be an option to disable this.
-Plugin preferences revert to default when loading a new instance.
I'm on mac.

I just did some testing on my PC and Rumble seems to remember my preferences just fine. I changed every setting and it remembers them all between instances, between projects and from one session to another.

But if you then want to go further, then that is possible with PP.

Yeah but, as I said, I've had PP for years and I never use it for anything. If I'm honest it was a waste of $99. I use kHs One more than I've ever used PP. If I want to "go further" with Rumble, I'll use external effects but I am reasonably confident I won't ever want to go further. In fact, I'll be looking to Rumble when I want to go further than I can with TRK-01 Bass, which is as simple as it gets, yet I find it incredibly useful across a lot of different things.

Stuff like that isn't even remotely possible with Rumble. Which is fine of course. But just to show that every tool has it's purpose

They make that quite clear by calling Rumble a "bass synth", don't they? For me, that's actually a big part of its appeal - a focused tool that does one thing really well, with a minimum of hassle and complexity. And Rumble has way more tools than I'll ever use. I don't need three envelopes + 2 MSEGs and I don't need 3 LFOs or 3 different random generators. Two envelopes and two LFOs is plenty for my needs. I have a lot more important things to be getting on with than making 6 osc FM patches so I want something that can get the job done quickly and easily. UVI isn't trying to market Rumble as a do-everything, go-to instrument anyway, they have Falcon for that. If anything, they are underselling it's versatility.

I am happy with Serum 2. This doesn't bring much to the table. If I have to pick only one, I would pick Serum 2. For a good companion, I am looking forward to Zebra 3.

They are completely different types of instrument and are a f**k-tonne more expensive. Neither interest me in the slightest, they simply aren't the kinds of instrument I like to work with. Rumble, OTOH, is much more like it - great sound, focused toolset with excellent workflow and ease-of-use.

[chagzuki]

Actually, looking at the LFOs now, you can set the phase, which means you can modulate it with one of the random generators to get random phase start and it has a legato mode that stops the LFO from retriggering with a new note. That seems pretty comprehensive to me so what else, exactly, do you need?

My demo has expired, but that's the first solution I tried and it doesn't work. For some reason you can only modulate the LFOs with the envelopes, not the random generators. Someone with a license can double check that.

[exmatproton]

As far as I'm concerned they are fully functional. Honestly, I wouldn't know if any other synth I own has this feature or not. It's of absolutely no interest to me.

Actually, looking at the LFOs now, you can set the phase, which means you can modulate it with one of the random generators to get random phase start and it has a legato mode that stops the LFO from retriggering with a new note. That seems pretty comprehensive to me so what else, exactly, do you need?

Noticed a couple annoying UI things.
-Unsaved changes dialog pops up everytime I tweak a setting and try to change presets. There needs to be an option to disable this.
-Plugin preferences revert to default when loading a new instance.
I'm on mac.

I just did some testing on my PC and Rumble seems to remember my preferences just fine. I changed every setting and it remembers them all between instances, between projects and from one session to another.

But if you then want to go further, then that is possible with PP.

Yeah but, as I said, I've had PP for years and I never use it for anything. If I'm honest it was a waste of $99. I use kHs One more than I've ever used PP. If I want to "go further" with Rumble, I'll use external effects but I am reasonably confident I won't ever want to go further. In fact, I'll be looking to Rumble when I want to go further than I can with TRK-01 Bass, which is as simple as it gets, yet I find it incredibly useful across a lot of different things.

Stuff like that isn't even remotely possible with Rumble. Which is fine of course. But just to show that every tool has it's purpose

They make that quite clear by calling Rumble a "bass synth", don't they? For me, that's actually a big part of its appeal - a focused tool that does one thing really well, with a minimum of hassle and complexity. And Rumble has way more tools than I'll ever use. I don't need three envelopes + 2 MSEGs and I don't need 3 LFOs or 3 different random generators. Two envelopes and two LFOs is plenty for my needs. I have a lot more important things to be getting on with than making 6 osc FM patches so I want something that can get the job done quickly and easily. UVI isn't trying to market Rumble as a do-everything, go-to instrument anyway, they have Falcon for that. If anything, they are underselling it's versatility.

I am happy with Serum 2. This doesn't bring much to the table. If I have to pick only one, I would pick Serum 2. For a good companion, I am looking forward to Zebra 3.

They are completely different types of instrument and are a f**k-tonne more expensive. Neither interest me in the slightest, they simply aren't the kinds of instrument I like to work with. Rumble, OTOH, is much more like it - great sound, focused toolset with excellent workflow and ease-of-use.

mate..i wasn't arguing. I was just defending PP, because it is a great synth. I am well aware that it isn't for you. Hence: "But just to show that every tool has it's purpose "

[BONES]

PP would be a great synth if it had better filters. In fact, it would probably be my no. 1 go-to synth if it did because I've been a big KiloHearts user for a long time and, generally, I like the way they do things. But it doesn't and even though KiloHearts clearly know this, the best fix they've offered has been to put a better filter in as an effect, which requires a different, more complex signal flow to use and, honestly, why should I be bothered with a kludge like that? Why won't they just add the newer, better filters to the main filter section?

My demo has expired, but that's the first solution I tried and it doesn't work. For some reason you can only modulate the LFOs with the envelopes, not the random generators. Someone with a license can double check that.

Yeah, Phase seems to be the only LFO parameter excluded from several of the mod sources, which is weird. But you can't apply the Random generators to any part of the LFOs.

As I said, not something I would ever want or need to do, so I'm not fussed, but maybe it wasn't something they thought anyone else would want? That said, it seems to have been deliberately excluded, so maybe it was too hard for some reason? Seems like it should be trivial, though, so maybe they'll get around to it?

[exmatproton]

PP would be a great synth if it had better filters. In fact, it would probably be my no. 1 go-to synth if it did because I've been a big KiloHearts user for a long time and, generally, I like the way they do things. But it doesn't and even though KiloHearts clearly know this, the best fix they've offered has been to put a better filter in as an effect, which requires a different, more complex signal flow to use and, honestly, why should I be bothered with a kludge like that? Why won't they just add the newer, better filters to the main filter section?

The same "new" non-linear filter is in the main section. Which sounds quite good to me.
Or are you referring to the 'filter table'?

[BONES]

When they introduced the Non-Liner filter, it was only available as an effect and they said they had no plans to do any more with it. If they've since put it into the filter, that's great but it's a day late and a dollar short for me, I moved on years ago. But thanks for the info, it might encourage me to go back and have another look at it.

Who knows, I might be able to make something better than kHs One out of it. Because that's what I saw as the potential of PP - to be able to create a handful of simple set-ups for different things, with exactly the features I'd want and nothing else, to save as presets. They could be simple enough that everything was visible on a single page, no scrolling or collapsing of sections, which would make it quick and easy to work with. Basically I thought it would be a good replacement for SynthEdit.

The Filter Table looks interesting too but, again, it needs to be in the main part of the signal flow to be properly useful. Still, it is the one and only Kilohearts product I don't own (not counting preset packs) so I should probably just spend the $39 for completeness, if nothing else.