Tracktion Software

valley · Post by **valley** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:30 pm

Montana wrote:Im just concerned that the mixdowns in tracktion I am doing are losing massive clarity.

Do you not have a wave editor? Export them as 32 bit and reduce the resolution in your wave app.

tinkat69 · Post by **tinkat69** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:48 pm

I think the main issue is not about dithering rather one of 'summing'. Nuendo and Sx have both improved in this respect and mixes will be 'clearer' with better definition of constituent parts.

For 'mixing in the box' I mostly use Samplitude which has excellent summing but the improvements in T2 should make a noticeable difference to mixes/combining tracks/printing fx etc... an undersung but significant enhancement.

-john

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:53 pm

How can one program have better summing? Summing still means "adding", doesn't it? Most computers should be up to that task.

I'm just teasing, though... I'm pretty ignorant about the behind-the-code stuff.

Regardless, why does it matter if your dither plug-in is high-CPU, djsubject? The assumption is that you're not doing anything in realtime if you're dithering. LET the thing take 99% of your CPU if that's what's needed....

Greg

valley · Post by **valley** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:56 pm

tinkat69 wrote:rather one of 'summing'. Nuendo and Sx have both improved in this respect and mixes will be 'clearer' with better definition of constituent parts.

klagga · Post by **klagga** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:03 pm

Montana wrote:Im just concerned that the mixdowns in tracktion I am doing are losing massive clarity.

Will someone please clarify:
1. Is it a confirmed fact that mixdowns in Tracktion steal clarity?
2. If 1 is the case, will T2 remedy this?

valley · Post by **valley** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:30 pm

klagga wrote:
Montana wrote:Im just concerned that the mixdowns in tracktion I am doing are losing massive clarity.

Will someone please clarify:
1. Is it a confirmed fact that mixdowns in Tracktion steal clarity?
2. If 1 is the case, will T2 remedy this?

2 + 2 = 4. It equals four in any sequencer you care to mention.

Any difference in sound between sequencers is a factor of EQ, or things added, rather than taken away.

And if you need to ask, it's because you can't hear the difference, and if you can't hear the difference, the subject is a little moot, no?

Sorry, but I'm really bored of this conversation, and the junk science that goes along with it.

klagga · Post by **klagga** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:20 pm

valley wrote:
And if you need to ask, it's because you can't hear the difference, and if you can't hear the difference, the subject is a little moot, no?

Probably is hasn´t occured to you that there are people here, myself included, that are new to Tracktion and haven´t had the opportunity to do any serious mixdowns yet.

Therefore it, for me, isn´t any question of not hearing any difference, it´s just a question of clarifying the facts. Does mixdown in Tracktion steal clarity or not?

DWS · Post by **DWS** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:28 pm

klagga wrote: Does mixdown in Tracktion steal clarity or not?

I think you'd need a situation where you could mix the same wav files down on the 2 systems and then compare for yourself - that's the only way you are ever going to really know. Even then, you'll need some pretty good monitoring gear and if it's close, your mind will play tricks on you.

Sorry if I just stated the obvious. - s

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:29 pm

tinkat69 wrote:I think the main issue is not about dithering rather one of 'summing'. Nuendo and Sx have both improved in this respect and mixes will be 'clearer' with better definition of constituent parts.

For 'mixing in the box' I mostly use Samplitude which has excellent summing but the improvements in T2 should make a noticeable difference to mixes/combining tracks/printing fx etc... an undersung but significant enhancement.

-john

Winner of this weeks Feng Shui motherboard award.

valley · Post by **valley** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:32 pm

then the answer, which has been posted in about four different threads over the last few weeks, is, as I also said above: no!

Please consider : 2 + 2 = 4. There is no magic art to summing. A sequencer adds two or more floating point numbers together. If it comes up with anything other than the right answer it has a bug.

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:35 pm

thought this thread was about dithering not summing?

valley · Post by **valley** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:36 pm

DWS wrote:
klagga wrote: Does mixdown in Tracktion steal clarity or not?
I think you'd need a situation where you could mix the same wav files down on the 2 systems and then compare for yourself - that's the only way you are ever going to really know. Even then, you'll need some pretty good monitoring gear and if it's close, your mind will play tricks on you.

Sorry if I just stated the obvious. - s

It's easier just to load two wav files onto two different tracks. Invert one, delete any spare tracks, and render the result.

You should end up with absolute silence. You might start noticing differences if you do this over more than 16 tracks, or for 64bit summing engines, over 32 tracks. Even there though the level of noise is way below the threshold of human hearing.

valley · Post by **valley** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:40 pm

nuffink wrote:

Winner of this weeks Feng Shui motherboard award.

Do they make that in Micro ATX?

Montana · Post by **Montana** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:48 pm

""Does mixdown in Tracktion steal clarity or not?""

It's not proven fact. It's just something I have observed. It's not huge IMHO, but it is noticable. I have noticed a couple other people comment as well.

Hopefully the new mixdown system improves clarity as stated on the website.

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:50 pm

klagga wrote:Does mixdown in Tracktion steal clarity?

no

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