Do listeners devalue AI-generated pop music?

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BONES wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2026 1:11 am
enroe wrote: Mon May 18, 2026 5:55 amBecause, naturally, the AI ​​is trained on the best and most popular songs. The AI ​​then creates songs of its own that sound very
similar — songs that, in a blind test, cannot be distinguished from human-made songs.
That was true early on, a few years ago Ai was completely incapable of doing anything beyond a handful of mainstream genres, but over time the training sets have clearly broadened and today's AI can do pretty much any genre/style you can think of.
AI-generated songs are created without the passion, emotions, statements, messages, or effort inherent in human songs.
If that was true, then listeners would have no trouble at all distinguishing between Ai and human generated songs btu ALL the research tells us that's not the case, so your point is clearly invalid.
Many people underestimate the capabilities of AI
And you're their poster boy!
That's precisely why AI – without drastic regulation – will
completely take over the market for creative arts and music.
If that means no more Justin Bieber, I think it's a sacrifice worth making, don't you?
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Well, Bones, you look at AI and use it as best you can for your
own purposes — namely, to create songs that you can then
perform live. So far, so good — and perfectly understandable.

However, if you step back a little from your everyday life and look
at the big picture — what do you see? From a broad perspective
— viewing the overall development — a completely different
picture emerges. And it is this "big picture of development" —
the direction in which humanity is now moving — that we want to
examine more closely.

So, how will your children experience making music — or art?
What significance will it hold? And what part will we humans play
in it?

Will art persist primarily as a form of artistically strutting self-display
on stage? Or does the value of art lie in the creation of a work
— or a song?

So what happens when AI takes over the creation of artworks and
songs — faster, more efficiently, and even better?

What will become of us humans? What niche does AI still grant
us? :?
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You're assuming that the value of art comes solely from the difficulty of producing it. I don't think that's true.

People still play acoustic guitars despite perfect virtual instruments. People still paint despite cameras. People still perform live despite flawless recordings. And some people even still ride horses.

AI changes the creative landscape, but it doesn't remove the human desire to create. It simply gives us another tool. History has been repeating that pattern for centuries.

For me, AI doesn't replace creativity. It amplifies it.

I'm just as creative as I was before. The difference is that I can spend far less time fighting technical limitations and far more time exploring ideas. Projects that once took a year can now take a month. Videos that once required months of work can be finished in a day. Programming, writing, composing, image editing, research... the pattern is the same everywhere.

That doesn't make the ideas less mine. It simply means I can turn more of them into reality.

Every major technological leap has increased what individuals were capable of creating. AI is no different. It lowers the cost of execution, not the value of imagination.
“The biggest crime of a musician is to play notes instead of making music.”
Isaac Stern

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If you think AI gen is an acceptable way to make music professionally, I have one suggestion for you; Retire.


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AI music creation -- for me -- does not amplify my creative process, rather de-evolves it. I rather make my own stuff than prompt for rehashed ideas to be re-created over and over, and over, and over. Boring.

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enroe wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2026 10:15 amSo, how will your children experience making music — or art?
I'm not so selfish as to have children. What sort of monster would I have to be to knowingly submit another person to this horror show?
What significance will it hold? And what part will we humans play in it?
Whatever part you choose, just as it is now.
Will art persist primarily as a form of artistically strutting self-display
on stage? Or does the value of art lie in the creation of a work
— or a song?
There is no value to anything except what you decide it's worth. Jackson Pollock's work sells for tens of millions but if someone gave me one I'd burn it. If someone gave me a Heavy Metal album or a Hip-Hop album, anything in either of those genres, I'd throw it in the bin. But I've paid more than $100 for hard to get albums on several occasions in the past, things most other people would throw away.
So what happens when AI takes over the creation of artworks and
songs — faster, more efficiently, and even better?
Then all our lives are enriched by more and better art.
What will become of us humans? What niche does AI still grant
us? :?
We'll be free to do whatever we want to do. The Post-Scarcity world will be a true utopia. But it won't happen because people are too afraid to give it a go, which means we'll slowly spiral into insignificance, where the human race belongs.
n9research wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2026 1:46 pmIf you think AI gen is an acceptable way to make music professionally, I have one suggestion for you; Retire.
There's an expression doing the rounds at the moment - "AI isn't going to take your job, the person who understands AI is going to take your job." So you can cower in fear and see your world fall down around you or you can embrace the future and be part of the change. It's your choice, little man.
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n9research wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2026 1:46 pmIf you think AI gen is an acceptable way to make music professionally, I have one suggestion for you; Retire.
BONES wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2026 2:09 pm There's an expression doing the rounds at the moment - "AI isn't going to take your job, the person who understands AI is going to take your job." So you can cower in fear and see your world fall down around you or you can embrace the future and be part of the change. It's your choice, little man.
Yeah, whatever granddad.
BONES wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2026 8:16 am All I've ever wanted to do was get up on stage with a big PA and scream my lungs out and everything else I do around my/our music is directed towards creating more and better opportunities to do that.
Does your local karaoke bar not have any Severed Heads tracks for you to "scream your lungs out" to? They could save you even more effort and strife.

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You clearly have never heard any Severed Heads. It's pretty low-key stuff, Tom's not the screaming type.

I like doing Enter Sandman and Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This) at karaoke, although even better is Punk Rock Karaoke with a live backing band. I'll usually pick a Stranglers song for that.
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To many of us, you're a warning of what not to do.

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I don't do karaoke on anything like a regular basis but I used to work with a bloke who dragged us all along whenever he could. OTOH, I would go out of my way for Punk Rock karaoke but the couple of bands who were doing it seem to have disappeared. As I've said, I like to get up on stage with a big PA and belt it out.
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