SUNO is killer!

[Zeisner]

If there something Suno is "killing" is enjoying the process of making music.

None of the generative AI users (and especially fans) enjoyed making music in the first place. It's a chore to them. Just look at the Uwe Boll of EDM here who outsources everything to his bandmate (who now outsources everything to AI) because they literally hate everything about making music (but love posing as musicians). AI can't kill what was never alive to begin with.

Those who enjoy making music on the other hand don't use generative AI. Because to them, there is simply nothing to enjoy. They don't learn anything about making music from it, they can't execute anything or create anything with it, they have no control over anything and the result is always crap.

[Zeisner]

Tidal now flags AI content and does not provide any streaming profits. Hurrah, Apple Music next I hope (Spotify is hopeless but they will drown in their AI slop long term .

Memory prices must go up. This is the only thing that would force all streaming services to filter out all the AI slop.

[Zeisner]

But, even though I haven't listen closely to Suno productions, I'm wondering. Do they have tasteful solos? Do they have an arrangement construction that closely follows the lyrics so that they go in pairs as a unique emotional wave?

They don't have any of that. And not only that - AI still fails spectaculary at the most basic tension/release mechanics or building repetition/variation contrasts or choosing the right gain for instruments and vocals. Generative AI is the perfect example for "Correlation does not imply causation" and why boolean logic/math is so important. There are many things you can only do either the right or the wrong way.

[BONES]

Utter bullshit. AI is capable of doing all of those things every bit as well as the most talented and successful songwriters. The song Ghettosynth posted on the other thread yesterday, for example, does those things perfectly well. And he only spent a few minutes on it.

None of the generative AI users (and especially fans) enjoyed making music in the first place. It's a chore to them. Just look at the Uwe Boll of EDM here who outsources everything to his bandmate (who now outsources everything to AI) because they literally hate everything about making music (but love posing as musicians). AI can't kill what was never alive to begin with.

Those who enjoy making music on the other hand don't use generative AI. Because to them, there is simply nothing to enjoy. They don't learn anything about making music from it, they can't execute anything or create anything with it, they have no control over anything and the result is always crap.

I think you need to get your nomenclature in order. Musicians are people who play music, composers and songwriters make music. Of course, engineers are people who wish they were good enough to do either. A bit like the saying about teachers - those who can, do and those who can't work as engineers for the first lot.

[dionenoid]

First of all, nobody makes money from streaming anyway. We need to have a song streamed more than 9,000 times to make one Euro. Maybe if you don't have a distributor and a label taking a cut you can make a little more but not paying is hardly going to be a disincentive.

Complete nonsense ofcourse.

There's plenty of ppl making money on streaming, me included.

1000 streams is about 3 to 5 Euros.

A digital distributor costs somewhere between 25 to 100 Euros per year. And none of them take a percentage.

[ksandvik]

Also, streaming is for getting the music and artist heard as promotion -- something that will get harder and harder with streaming platforms flagging and even banning AI generated music. Even if no revenue its one of the few ways to get exposure.

[BONES]

How? How can you possibly get exposure through Spotify when there are around 100,000,000 songs on there and 60,000 songs are being uploaded every day? You may as well put it in a bottle, throw it in the sea and hope someone finds it.

Complete nonsense ofcourse. There's plenty of ppl making money on streaming, me included.
1000 streams is about 3 to 5 Euros.

I think you might be right. I did the calculations years ago, based on an article on Engadget, My calculations were at 0.002c per stream but it looks like it's actually $0.003. So I may have been out by a factor of 150, which is significant. But still, each track has to reach 1,000 streams before you earn anything at all from Spotify, which means most of an album is never going to earn you anything. In years when we release an album, we might see a hundred euros in royalties but in years without any new releases, it's less than a quarter of that. The "good" years are obviously the result of the label's spend on promotion, which I think is usually around 1,000 euros, so unless they are keeping the lion's share of royalties, nobody's making money. I dunno, really, I stopped looking at the statements years ago.

Making it into the alternative charts means that DJs are playing our stuff in clubs, and we get plenty of exposure from genre internet radio stations, plus we always get good reviews in print magazines and online, but none of that ever seems to translate into sales.

As I said, at the end of the day you just have to be happy in the knowledge that what you've done is good and worthwhile, whether it gets the recognition it deserves or not. After all, I reckon 75% or more of the music I love was probably no more successful than we've been. much of it considerably less so. For example, the band I am listening to as I type this is, for my money, the best band of the 21st Century but they don't seem to do any better than we do -

https://soundcloud.com/genepoolofficial/rope
And my all-time favourite album is even more obscure -

Even my favourite band is one nobody has ever heard of -

Given that, it's hard to expect to do any better ourselves.

[dormiracle]

Honestly, I think it's great as a source of inspiration. You can use it to get quick ideas or references, and then go and make your own music based on that. That's about it.

[ksandvik]

How? How can you possibly get exposure through Spotify when there are around 100,000,000 songs on there and 60,000 songs are being uploaded every day? You may as well put it in a bottle, throw it in the sea and hope someone finds it.

Where else do you get exposure? Your own web site, telling your friends and family?

I don't mind that strategy with AI generated music, actually .

[VOODOO U]

Where else do you get exposure? Your own web site, telling your friends and family?

Yeah that's exactly how big bands like Black Sabbath and Motley Crue got exposure. They made a 7" e.p., told their family and friends and boom three days later they were playing stadiums.

[TheMaestro]

If there something Suno is "killing" is enjoying the process of making music.

None of the generative AI users (and especially fans) enjoyed making music in the first place. It's a chore to them. Just look at the Uwe Boll of EDM here who outsources everything to his bandmate (who now outsources everything to AI) because they literally hate everything about making music (but love posing as musicians). AI can't kill what was never alive to begin with.

Those who enjoy making music on the other hand don't use generative AI. Because to them, there is simply nothing to enjoy. They don't learn anything about making music from it, they can't execute anything or create anything with it, they have no control over anything and the result is always crap.

And those "tunes" are the least creative and of the most effortless, even without AI
Outsourcing that to AI is like cursing at someone and claiming TED-style accolade

[VOODOO U]

None of the generative AI users (and especially fans) enjoyed making music in the first place.

If that were the case they wouldn't be interested in music at all and thus wouldn't bother generating it with A.I.

It's a chore to them.

Get rid of your DAW and plugins and replace it with a multi track reel to reel, mixer and rack of effects. It's less of a chore.

they literally hate everything about making music (but love posing as musicians).

Wouldn't hip-hop artists be guilty of the same? Hate taking the time to learn "musicianship", posing as musicians when all they do is sample, spin records and talk over it? Yet here we are in 2026 and hip-hop is alive and well. There have been and are hip-hop artists who've gone beyond truntables and samplers to be what you consider 'musicians".

Those who enjoy making music on the other hand don't use generative AI.

Yeah those who use generative A.I. to make music hate making music. I think what you mean to say is those who don't want to learn to play an instrument and deal with all the gear and theories behind music prefer to take the A.I. shortcut. If you want to take a canoe across the ocean to get from one country to another be my guest. I'll wave hello on the plane.

They don't learn anything about making music from it,

You mean theory? That's for soulless geeks who have no feeling. I was taught theory at 8 years old and even as a kid realized it was a pile of garbage that inhibited creativity. It forces one to think about what you're playing and that's the jaws of death in making songs which capture emotion.

they have no control over anything and the result is always crap.

They have some control with prompting but not as deep as it will eventually be. Give it time. Soon you'll be using it as well. I promise.