SUNO is killer!

[The King of the Sofa]

Why do you find my analogies personally insulting? They are not about you. They are about conveying what you are missing out on with your approach.

So they are not about me but are about me and my approach do I get this right?

[The King of the Sofa]

Why do you find my analogies personally insulting?

Why do you want everyone to be like you and do as you do?

[The King of the Sofa]

I really fail to see what people get out of prompt-to-track generated AI music.

None of us will get rich making music. The whole kick I get out of it is really the process of making music itself, and maybe a kind word from internet think-alikes here and there.

Even the latter is meaningless if it wasn't me who put the work in to move the piece into existence.

You have to stay consistent because after this post you said you did not put work in because you go to work and you said it to correct me but here you said you put the work in so thats why I was referring to you looking at making music as a working thing

[The King of the Sofa]

Work is what I do on my day job.

Music making is what I choose to do in any free time I have.

Why would I choose to outsource that?

It's like you like idea of hiking but not really being outdoors, walking on dirt roads in mountains and being a bit cold here and bit hot there, so you pay someone to hike for you.

Or you really like the idea of sex, but you can't be arsed, so you'll pay tenner to a guy to do your missus while you watch from the cuck chair.

That is how I see prompt-to-text musicing. I agree with Zeisner, you don't really like the act of making music, you'd just like the accolade from the end result with the least involvement.

See?

[The King of the Sofa]

Work is what I do on my day job.

Music making is what I choose to do in any free time I have.

Why would I choose to outsource that?

It's like you like idea of hiking but not really being outdoors, walking on dirt roads in mountains and being a bit cold here and bit hot there, so you pay someone to hike for you.

Or you really like the idea of sex, but you can't be arsed, so you'll pay tenner to a guy to do your missus while you watch from the cuck chair.

That is how I see prompt-to-text musicing. I agree with Zeisner, you don't really like the act of making music, you'd just like the accolade from the end result with the least involvement.

I like the music yes. Go ahead insult me a bit more. If it makes you feel better thats okay for me. I will continue to create music with ai. And it is weird, I have been discussing this for a while now and nobody said it was all AI slop like you did a few months ago. Did we finally get past that? Thats nice.
We will get past this too.

But its okay, so you do NOT put work in and enjoying it because of the work you put in! I understand! Bye bye for now.

[gearwatcher]

I don't care what you or anyone else does in their free time.

I do care about drowning in slop as a listener/consumer of media, but I don't venture into enough of "basic bitch culture" to really be bothered by it , at least for now, but even if I did I don't hold you personally responsible for the slop flood. That's an entirely different topic, and that is not what I'm about in these comments.

What I am about is I am genuinely unable to comprehend why anyone would willingly choose to supplant the pleasure from creating art with instant gratification.

To paraphrase Allan Watts: To actually find pleasure, satisfaction in life, you need to develop skills, and you need to develop them through discipline. Pleasure cannot be bought or acquired -- it must be earned. There is no pleasure in this life without skill.

[The King of the Sofa]

I don't care what you or anyone else does in their free time.

I do care about drowning in slop as a listener/consumer of media, but I don't venture into enough of "basic bitch culture" to really be bothered by it , at least for now, but even if I did I don't hold you personally responsible for the slop flood. That's an entirely different topic, and that is not what I'm about in these comments.

What I am about is I am genuinely unable to comprehend why anyone would willingly choose to supplant the pleasure from creating art with instant gratification.

To paraphrase Allan Watts: To actually find pleasure, satisfaction in life, you need to develop skills, and you need to develop them through discipline. Pleasure cannot be bought or acquired -- it must be earned. There is no pleasure in this life without skill.

You do not have to listen to my tracks and I am in the topic for ai. So yeah if you do not want to see any ai tracks maybe stick to the topics that reject them? Would that not work?

Its okay, I do not even care that ai tracks get a seperate place on each streaming platform so that you do not have to hear the slop. It is a good idea for me.

But you just want to remove it completely and that shows me you have other reasons

I would not even care if they took away the ability to sell the tracks and keep them non commercial, that would be okay for me too.

But in the end you just want it to dissapear. Just say so Do not do such stupid things as this. There are solutions, like different places on streaming platforms. A different section for instance for all the ai music. That would be okay for me.

Like you know, this section where you are in right now?

[The King of the Sofa]

I don't care what you or anyone else does in their free time.

I do care about drowning in slop as a listener/consumer of media, but I don't venture into enough of "basic bitch culture" to really be bothered by it , at least for now, but even if I did I don't hold you personally responsible for the slop flood. That's an entirely different topic, and that is not what I'm about in these comments.

What I am about is I am genuinely unable to comprehend why anyone would willingly choose to supplant the pleasure from creating art with instant gratification.

To paraphrase Allan Watts: To actually find pleasure, satisfaction in life, you need to develop skills, and you need to develop them through discipline. Pleasure cannot be bought or acquired -- it must be earned. There is no pleasure in this life without skill.

Well I dissagree, I think you are venturing into a LOT of bitch culture right now.

Bitching about ai slop, about it being everywhere, about not having skills if you make music with ai. Yeah you are entering the bitch culture pretty hard.

[gearwatcher]

This is a topic where we discuss things. Why do you take opinions opposing or challenging yours as personal insults?

[The King of the Sofa]

This is a topic where we discuss things. Why do you take opinions opposing or challenging yours as personal insults?

Why do you ask questions when you know the answer good enough yourself? And why do you not answer my questions that I ask and expect me to answer yours?

[The King of the Sofa]

This is a topic where we discuss things. Why do you take opinions opposing or challenging yours as personal insults?

You basicly said I have no skill at all. I find pleasure in meaningless things. So yeah I think that are insults but I guess you do not see it that way right?

Well then I do not think you have any skills and I think you find pleasure in meaningless things. That okay for an answer? Did it answer your question?

[The King of the Sofa]

This is a topic where we discuss things. Why do you take opinions opposing or challenging yours as personal insults?

You are literally the person creating problems with users that use ai and I am literally the one who is creating solutions for them.

They do not matter to you at all!

[The King of the Sofa]

Well I find joy not in skills and work and all those ego things but just in music So we have to agree to dissagree on all these things

[gearwatcher]

What questions have I not answered? I don't see any tbh, I see you making lots of guesses about whatever my evil scheming ulterior motives are, but not questions.

Well, apart from a few which are rather nonsensical tbh:

Why do you want everyone to be like you and do as you do?

I don't. What makes you think I want everyone to be like me?

And that is the only question you asked. The rest was, I'll assume it's your English skills, but, lots and lots of ill-willed interpretations of what I was actually saying, like:

You basicly said I have no skill at all.

Where I said no such thing. How could I know whether or not you have?

I said you willingly chose to replace the pleasure that only comes with disciplined application of skill with instant gratification.

Now, since I cannot comprehend why anyone would chose to do that (in the same way I couldn't comprehend getting someone to hike for you, i.e. what are you getting out of it), I did assume you, perhaps, have not tried the former (the disciplined application of skill and the satisfaction it brings you), so in that lack of having experienced that pleasure, you conflate it with the fleeting ones that come from instant gratification.

I am saying you are most likely missing out, you're paying the full price but not getting the full kicks that only a full ride provides.

[The King of the Sofa]

What questions have I not answered? I don't see any tbh, I see you making lots of guesses about whatever my evil scheming ulterior motives are, but not questions.

Well, apart from a few which are rather nonsensical tbh:

Why do you want everyone to be like you and do as you do?

I don't. What makes you think I want everyone to be like me?

And that is the only question you asked. The rest was, I'll assume it's your English skills, but, lots and lots of ill-willed interpretations of what I was actually saying, like:

You basicly said I have no skill at all.

Where I said no such thing. How could I know whether or not you have?

I said you willingly chose to replace the pleasure that only comes with disciplined application of skill with instant gratification.

Now, since I cannot comprehend why anyone would chose to do that (in the same way I couldn't comprehend getting someone to hike for you, i.e. what are you getting out of it), I did assume you, perhaps, have not tried the former (the disciplined application of skill and the satisfaction it brings you), so in that lack of having experienced that pleasure, you conflate it with the fleeting ones that come from instant gratification.

I am saying you are most likely missing out, you're paying the full price but not getting the full kicks that only a full ride provides.

Why then do you care in what I find my pleasure? Your whole reasoning is showing why you love making music and not understand how I can love it by not doing what you do?

But you aint doing that right? Right? Well lets settle it then: I like the music. As I said before all your ranting about why you like music (by making it yourself) and pushing me to do what you do (like you do now again) and then telling me you do not do that.

Well I am done with that bitching. I like the music. That is my final answer!