SUNO is killer!

[The King of the Sofa]

I don't care what you or anyone else does in their free time.

I do care about drowning in slop as a listener/consumer of media, but I don't venture into enough of "basic bitch culture" to really be bothered by it , at least for now, but even if I did I don't hold you personally responsible for the slop flood. That's an entirely different topic, and that is not what I'm about in these comments.

What I am about is I am genuinely unable to comprehend why anyone would willingly choose to supplant the pleasure from creating art with instant gratification.

To paraphrase Allan Watts: To actually find pleasure, satisfaction in life, you need to develop skills, and you need to develop them through discipline. Pleasure cannot be bought or acquired -- it must be earned. There is no pleasure in this life without skill.

Well I dissagree, I think you are venturing into a LOT of bitch culture right now.

Bitching about ai slop, about it being everywhere, about not having skills if you make music with ai. Yeah you are entering the bitch culture pretty hard.

To paraphrase Allan Watts: To actually find pleasure, satisfaction in life, you need to develop skills, and you need to develop them through discipline. Pleasure cannot be bought or acquired -- it must be earned. There is no pleasure in this life without skill.

Weird way of not saying I have no skill. Do you even understand and know what you say or are you just trolling at this point?

Whatever, if you can not keep consitent in your rambling I am not discussing further because in the end you say things and then you never have said them and I even believe you believe that.

So no sense in talking to you since you do not even know what you say.

[ksandvik]

This is from the article you showed

If you wrote the lyrics for your song(s), you own those lyrics(as I said: lyrics written with chatgpt are owned by you?). Most copyright offices will allow you to register those lyrics on their own, and you may be able to use those lyrics to register your whole song as well. Some regions/registrars may recognize you as the writer of the song and Suno as an instrument to help you create the song. If this happens, the song will likely be eligible for copyright protection.

In any case, if you made songs while subscribed to Pro or Premier, you should be the only person that is allowed to monetize those songs through distribution or other channels. Some distributors exclude songs that are not eligible for copyright protection, so it may be helpful to research several options, and as always, read the terms and conditions!

Interesting you left out this part:

Relating to Suno:

If you make music with the Basic (free) plan, Suno is the owner of the songs. You are allowed to use the songs for non-commerical purposes.
If you make songs while subscribed to the Pro or Premier plan, you own the songs. Further, you are granted a commercial use license to monetize those songs.
In both cases, however, the material may not be eligible for copyright protection.

In the US, copyright laws protect material created by a human. Music made 100% with AI would not qualify for copyright protection because a human did not write the lyrics or the music. Writing the prompt does not constitute the creation of the song.

[The King of the Sofa]

This is from the article you showed

If you wrote the lyrics for your song(s), you own those lyrics(as I said: lyrics written with chatgpt are owned by you?). Most copyright offices will allow you to register those lyrics on their own, and you may be able to use those lyrics to register your whole song as well. Some regions/registrars may recognize you as the writer of the song and Suno as an instrument to help you create the song. If this happens, the song will likely be eligible for copyright protection.

In any case, if you made songs while subscribed to Pro or Premier, you should be the only person that is allowed to monetize those songs through distribution or other channels. Some distributors exclude songs that are not eligible for copyright protection, so it may be helpful to research several options, and as always, read the terms and conditions!

Interesting you left out this part:

Relating to Suno:

If you make music with the Basic (free) plan, Suno is the owner of the songs. You are allowed to use the songs for non-commerical purposes.
If you make songs while subscribed to the Pro or Premier plan, you own the songs. Further, you are granted a commercial use license to monetize those songs.
In both cases, however, the material may not be eligible for copyright protection.

In the US, copyright laws protect material created by a human. Music made 100% with AI would not qualify for copyright protection because a human did not write the lyrics or the music. Writing the prompt does not constitute the creation of the song.

I am on the premier plan as said before.

In any case, if you made songs while subscribed to Pro or Premier, you should be the only person that is allowed to monetize those songs through distribution or other channels.

Also if you read the whole discussion you would see I do not use suno lyrics but put in my own lyrics made with chatgpt. I also shared that creating lyrics with Chatgpt means you own those lyrics and they are available to copyright. I shared all those things.

I did not leave anything out. Maybe you should read the whole discussion before stating such things?

Either way, I am not gonna sell the tracks so it all does not matter to me. But I own the song, the lyrics and the master.

As I all already said.

[gearwatcher]

Whatever, if you can not keep consitent in your rambling I am not discussing further because in the end you say things and then you never have said them and I even believe you believe that.

So no sense in talking to you since you do not even know what you say.

I have been perfectly "consitent", but I guess you have trouble reading what I'm saying with comprehension. So I do agree discussing this matter further is pointless because you're on one hand absolutely missing all points I'm making, and on the other, reading way more into it than was actually said.

[The King of the Sofa]

Whatever, if you can not keep consitent in your rambling I am not discussing further because in the end you say things and then you never have said them and I even believe you believe that.

So no sense in talking to you since you do not even know what you say.

I have been perfectly "consitent", but I guess you have trouble reading what I'm saying with comprehension. So I do agree discussing this matter further is pointless because you're on one hand absolutely missing all points I'm making, and on the other, reading way more into it than was actually said.

Yes I have the problem. I am the problem. Thats okay. Have a good day!

Now you can say you did not say I was the problem!

[The King of the Sofa]

I like the music. I like it. I like it a lot!!!! Have fun all "discussing" your views in an ai topic.

I am not even gonna look at this topic anymore cause man this is some real nonsense! So do not expect me to answer any of you anymore.

[ksandvik]

I am on the premier plan as said before.


In any case, if you made songs while subscribed to Pro or Premier, you should be the only person that is allowed to monetize those songs through distribution or other channels.

US (and most likely worldwide) copyright laws in do not follow Suno's policies, just their own legal rulings. I would be wary, just a friendly warning so someone will not be negatively surprised.

There are some things I would never do, like let's say sample Madonna, Queen or The Police, and publish such music. Same with AI generated music, how much the tech-bros in Silicon Valley insists its fine.

[The King of the Sofa]

I am on the premier plan as said before.


In any case, if you made songs while subscribed to Pro or Premier, you should be the only person that is allowed to monetize those songs through distribution or other channels.

US (and most likely worldwide) copyright laws in do not follow Suno's policies, just their own legal rulings. I would be wary, just a friendly warning so someone will not be negatively surprised.

There are some things I would never do, like let's say sample Madonna, Queen or The Police, and publish such music. Same with AI generated music, how much the tech-bros in Silicon Valley insists its fine.

Thank you for the warning!

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Well at least we’ve been assured they will no longer be interacti…

OH!

[ghettosynth]

After this short break we will return you to your regularly scheduled content.

[BONES]

I really fail to see what people get out of prompt-to-track generated AI music.

Songs! Things to get up on stage and perform.

The whole kick I get out of it is really the process of making music itself

Maybe for you but I have no interest in any of it. For me it is a chore, something to be endured so that I can have songs to perform. The same is definitely true of a large number of the most financially successful artists throughout time, from Katy Perry to Michael Jackson, all the way back to the likes of Elvis Presley and beyond.

Even the latter is meaningless if it wasn't me who put the work in to move the piece into existence.

So it's all about you, the music is just incidental? Typical. I only care about the music. A good song is a good song and where it comes from, how it's made, is totally irrelevant to me. That's why, inspired by DEVO, I've made room for covers over the years, in my sets as well as on albums, EPs and singles.

For some people, like you apparantly, music is about working. And making everything yourself.

I think it goes further than that, it's making everything about themself. It's me, me, me all the way.

And in the end that is what music is about, make us happy, make us feel better when we are down.

Even that's a bit self-centred. Mind you, I don't really understand the concept of "feeling down", I'm not sure it's something I've ever experienced. I probably get angry instead and energetic music is a great way to vent the frustrations that make me angry.

So I am proud about those ideas. But I guess they mean nothing to you, but your music also always starts with an idea first.

I can't say mine does. I play around with instruments and if I do that for long enough, I'll stumble across something I like. Then I'll play around with it some more and see where it leads. Sometimes I'll get a song out of it, sometimes I won't. But "playing around with instruments" isn't something I'm often in the mood for so it doesn't happen much. I actually prefer the challenge of taking some of my bandmate's ideas and turning them into songs or taking a cover version and making it our own. I get to be creative at work all day, it's not something I feel a burning need to inject into my/our music all the time but I still contribute a song or two to each album.

Then I also master it, but I admit of using ai of ozone, I am sure some of you do that too, but thats okay, even though its ai, never heard anyone complain about that.

Mastering is much more of a technical process, rather than a creative one, and what Ozone's Master Assistant does is something that would take you hours to do on your own. I always go through an confirm that what it's done is working, though, and add a few bits and pieces of my own - a bit of Low-End Focus, Exciter and Imager to give it a bit more shape and then I play around with the Maximiser to get every song to the same kind of loudness level. But it usually only takes me 20-30 minutes a song. It's not hard, although sometimes there are issues with the mix that force me to go back and re-render, so a 10-12 track album can still take a couple of days to finish mastering.

Because the fact that some people do not like the music made with ai, has nothing to do with the musical piece itself, but with the fact that it is made with ai.

Absolutely!

Well then I do not like any of your music, because you just press buttons on a keyboard, learn to play live instruments and make something with that.

There are plenty of people around who actually think like that, people who literally won't listen to anything with a synth in it. It's quite interesting because in the '60s and '70s, it was often the keyboard player who was considered the real musician in a band, the guy they'd turn to for arrangements and such like. But over time most people get over shit like that and it will be the same with AI. It's Luddite thinking, fear of the new.

Music making is what I choose to do in any free time I have. Why would I choose to outsource that?

But you do if you use any kind of sequencer. If you're not laying down every track live, then you're not a real musician, you're a cheat. If you use sequencers or chord tools or arpeggiators, if you're not mic'ing up a drum kit and playing live drums, then you aren't doing the work at all, you're outsourcing it to your computer.

It's like you like idea of hiking but not really being outdoors, walking on dirt roads in mountains and being a bit cold here and bit hot there, so you pay someone to hike for you.

Interesting analogy. I'd suggest if you never get up and perform your music live, you're like someone who plans a hike in great detail, packs all his gear, puts his hiking boots on but instead of going out into the wild, decides to pitch his tent in the back yard instead.

you don't really like the act of making music

Why would anyone? I mean we are all calling it "work", aren't we? And that's what it is - hard work. Nobody likes hard work but we do it because in end we have something to show for it. But we don't do any more than we need to, especially these days where we all seem to be so time-poor.

[BONES]

I do care about drowning in slop as a listener/consumer of media

Then why have you put that anodyne, boring slop up on Bandcamp? Seriously, why would you even bother with half-finished garbage like that? I mean, a whole 4 supporters in 5 years, what's the point of it? And you've got a new album on pre-order, that's just hilarious. Like anyone gives a f**k.

Seriously, you are carrying on here like you're some kind of creative genius and the music you make is boring shit that no-one is interested in. It's great that you do it, it's fine that you're happy with it but, honestly, when that was the best I could do, I had no illusions that anyone else would want to hear it. And when that's the best you can manage, to criticise anyone else for what they're doing is beyond the f**king pale. AI could only be an improvement for you.

Just for comparison, Handful of Snowdrops released a new album a few hours ago. Now, if that guy wanted to be critical of people using AI, he's someone who has being doing it for decades and has earned the right because his music is actually brilliant. It's a lot softer than what I usually listen to but there is something really, really good about it. You might even like it.

To paraphrase Allan Watts: To actually find pleasure, satisfaction in life, you need to develop skills, and you need to develop them through discipline. Pleasure cannot be bought or acquired -- it must be earned. There is no pleasure in this life without skill.

And if you don't think there is any skill in writing prompts to get an AI to do what you want it to, then you're an ignorant fool.

[gearwatcher]

LOL. the best you could do is project your lack of taste as some kind of an argument and the tired old "goat hearding" routine?

I have actually done all that: played in a band live, recorded live musicians and produced them.

That is absolutely beyond the point. It does not matter what work is, it's a completely different process to writing a brief to a machine to get a complete track.

[ghettosynth]

I really fail to see what people get out of prompt-to-track generated AI music.

None of us will get rich making music. The whole kick I get out of it is really the process of making music itself, and maybe a kind word from internet think-alikes here and there.

Even the latter is meaningless if it wasn't me who put the work in to move the piece into existence.

I don't see what you get out of trying to quiz others about what they get out of it. I have more albums on bandcamp than you do, none of them using a bit of AI, most of them using a systems approach. I build machines to make music, then I guide the machines. Some of them are live performances or use a more traditional production approach. Having fun with AI tracks does a number of things, but it's mostly like telling a joke. How much joy does one get out of that, it doesn't take much time to transform an idea into a track, share it, and let it go.

Idea -> Mechanism -> Sound -> Enjoyment

I enjoy all of it at different scales and get different aspects out of each scale. I can enjoy grabbing my guitar and singing "You're So Sweet" to nobody in particular for the 85th time, or playing with my modular, or playing some piano/ambient piece with my digital piano and my Osmose, or, I like abusing models to generate little tunes in a few minutes. All are paths from my ideas to music. Any of them can engage compromised authenticity. Any of them can be expressive. What do people get out of writing a haiku?

I think that what I see here is that there is so much ego invested in a manual mechanism that it invents a moral defensive posture. I can lie on the floor and play an evolving chord and just experience the joy of the sound, the sound engages my mind, it fosters enjoyment. I don't need your approval to get enjoyment, I don't need BONES' approval to get enjoyment, I don't need complexity or ego driven activities to get enjoyment, that's why, except for my joke Suno tracks, I don't share music on KVR. If you don't find my music in the context of listening to similar music then you won't find it, and I don't care. The suno tracks take less effort than post in most cases, think of them like an audio-visual post.

[gearwatcher]

I don't see what you get out of trying to quiz others about what they get out of it.

Learning about people's motives.

Having fun with AI tracks does a number of things, but it's mostly like telling a joke.

I get that. I wouldn't invest much time in making an image macro to jokingly post online or send to my mates, I'd half arse it on Imgflip. But that's not why most people use things like Suno.

I think that what I see here is that there is so much ego invested in a manual mechanism that it invents a moral defensive posture.

I don't invest a lot of my ego in making music, if any. It's possibly the least ego involved work I do ever. Music is a hobby to me.

The process is the point in the same way that the process is the point in hiking or having a drink with mates. I would certainly not outsource the process of drinking just to get to the hangover faster.

I have as much fun finishing a track in a DAW as I have noodling some endless improv on keyboard or doodling or playing rummy. The only difference is that finishing a track leaves an artifact which I can also later enjoy. I make music I wish existed in the world, and for my enjoyment primarily. I can even understand that part of the "Suno motive", but it's still missing out on the most fun part of the whole endeavor, which is the part I can't understand.