Some thoughts about AI acceptance

[agharta]

the only music focused app I've seen with a localized AI option is resing...are there any others?

Synplant 2 uses your CPU to create synth patch variations on the sample you load.
It runs my CPU at 100% load.

[Kaijeaxn]

I’ve seen that newbies often jump on AI because it gives them a quick boost in technique and confidence, while veterans who’ve put in the hours tend to treat AI as a backstage helper, wary of it stealing the soul of their playing. In my own workflow I rely on AI tools from redeagle.tech to handle the boring admin so I can stay in the creative zone.

[BONES]

If that's true, then those musicians are fuckwits. Why wouldn't they want to help others to improve their skills?

[zerocrossing]

"AI tools" is too general a term. What are we talking about?

I reject tools that are geared towards replacing doing the things that I love to do. I love playing guitar, so I'm not going to use an artificial guitar software of any kind. I'd rather muddle through with my mediocre playing than have a brilliantly executed AI or sample based part. I love writing songs. Why would I ever relinquish that to a machine?

What I would be happy to use AI/ML tools for, is the stuff I can't do. Like sing a wide range with a great voice. I wouldn't mind being able to play parts of an orchestra on my guitar and have it pop out as a full symphony. What I hate about prompt based stuff, is the lack of tight control of each note and how it's expressed. I like how in Synthesizer V, I control the exact timing of every phoneme, and 12 real time parameters that can change how each moment sounds.

[Innermost]

That depends, I learned how to play guitar when I was 6 years old, I'm 40, and I still play guitar.
Yep I think Suno, if used to generate a song and go, is useless.
But, if you approach it with a musical mind, then you can create what you want with Suno, since it offers you some raw material to mix or not.
My claim is:
People who THINK they are musicians HATE AI.
People who THINK they're creative HATE AI.
They're afraid a machine steal them something they don't even have.
Do what you want with AI, play, feel free and don't care about critics.
There will always have people to tell you what you to think or what to do. And that's what I am making there when I am telling you to feel free, you see?
Let's live our life and let's forget these guys who don't even have robust and rational arguments to claim what they think to know.

[ksandvik]

I don't hate AI, I use it all the time, I just don't think someone does something creative when AI is used to give a product instead of a human being creating it. Or, a cartoon says is better:

https://bsky.app/profile/mattfnwallace. ... khpramfk2o

[Innermost]

The thing is: does the human use the generated audio without destroying it after or does he slices it, reverses it, mixes with something else, adds FX, use the artefacts to create something new with, uses the weirdest results to make something disturbing?
I don't think any decent musician would use Suno for example without making something creative with. Or, if the case, I would advice him to stop making music right now.

[ksandvik]

I do all that without using AI, btw. If AI did it, it would be like me ordering pizza, as in the cartoon. In my case I do all the creative stuff, in the AI case the kitchen is doing it and giving it to me on a plate that either I accept or not... Boring.

[Innermost]

Yep. And even if the AI would do all of that, as human, and musician, you would find a way to reinterpret it, isn't it?
Whatever the pizza you order, you would transform that into something else, isn't that right?

[ksandvik]

Hehehe, I take all my kitchen ingredients to Dominoes and redo the pizza inside out at the table . Might as well stay home and do it myself.

[Innermost]

Then as much not using AI

[TechHaus]

I make pizza at home all the time and would never order dominoes (or use ai to make my music).

[Innermost]

I make pizza at home all the time and would never order dominoes (or use ai to make my music).

Never or "never"?

[enCiphered]

The thing is: does the human use the generated audio without destroying it after or does he slices it, reverses it, mixes with something else, adds FX, use the artefacts to create something new with, uses the weirdest results to make something disturbing?
I don't think any decent musician would use Suno for example without making something creative with. Or, if the case, I would advice him to stop making music right now.

Creativity isn't measured by how many edits happen after a sound is generated. By that logic, a photographer isn't creative because they didn't paint the landscape and a field recordist isn't creative because they didn't manufacture the sound they recorded.

Creativity is the process of making meaningful artistic decisions. Selection, intention, context, arrangement, timing, restraint and knowing what not to change are creative acts too. Sometimes the most creative decision is recognizing that something already says exactly what you wanted it to say.

Slicing, reversing and adding FX are techniques and not a definition of creativity. They can make something better, worse or simply different. They aren't a prerequisite for art.

Allez les bleus!!!

[TechHaus]

I guess if I was making a joke or meme song it would occur to me to try ai because I have laughed at a few of these, but I would probably try to make it first. There are instruments and genres that I probably can't recreate convincingly. So probably never but maybe I will need a klezmer track in a day someday? Doutbful...Hopefully I have a month and can Weird Al anything.

As far as the pizza goes I have like 3 regular crusts and 2 cauliflower crusts ready to go in the freezer as we speak. Sauce, toppings, and grate some mozzarella. Maybe some spices. Not a complicated process. I do not require fast food garbage pizza makers. Dominoes is a never. It is kid's food.