Hello T2

[valley]

Anybody find the price a bit steep? I mean, FLstudio producer is $149.00

No, it isn't The boxed version is $199 - though you'll be unlucky to pay that for it. It's only the boxless, manual-less version which costs $150. Moral: boxes and manuals are expensive to produce, and retailers want their cut of the pie, too.

[NAS]

Hey i wonder if theres a wharehouse somewhere with a shitload of T1's on cd in it ,You know like those old 80's console games that got burried in the desert in the US and now they are worth a mint

[nuisance sonore]

Well,I'll sleep on it and maybe it'll make more sense tomorrow.

Maybe they should keep T1 download available at the current price so others just starting out have the same chance we've had; there isn't many alternative as powerfull as T in this price bracket now that T2 has moved out of it.

[NAS]

Hey if Jules carrys on supporting T1 theres no way i'll upgrade ,If he can kill the bugs i wont need to .

[koolkeys]

First, for those(*cough*Ron*cough*) who seem to think that the features announced are it, you're wrong. Seems to me that there hasn't even been nearly 100 features announced. So yeah, there's more coming.

And Ron, do you even know what PUBLIC BETA means? Apparently not. It means a more stable product.

And I have an idea. I don't know what Mackie will be doing with this, but it's an idea. First they make the program available for download. Then for a small shipping fee, you can get the other plugs mailed to you on CD. That way, you get to use T2 immediately. My web host did this. With your hosting, you got like $600 in software for the cost of hosting. But you had to pay $7 for the CD of the larger programs. Just an idea.

Also, I don't understand why some people seem to think that the plugs included are all free plugs and all cut down. Slayer2, RMIV, and more are full programs. And I think the Sampletank and Amplitube versions are the same that come with any Digidesign hardware and ProTools. So I won't personally need those, because with my schooling I get a free Mac laptop with an MBox and this softwar, including ProTools(sorry, selfish bit of bragging there).

Anyway, T2 is stepping up. If you don't like what's offered, then you don't have to buy. But I think this is how it needs to be, and I think the price is very justified. Just add the plug-in prices together and you will see you are getting T2 for nothing, since the plug prices are more than the TOTAL cost. And if you are a T1 owner, better yet.

Koolkeys

[Improv]

But wait! WHERE'S THE FREAKING PANTS TOOL?

Yeah and...what's a "calvinet simulator"?

You know, the Calvinists from history class? Something to do with the Presbetyrian Church if I remember correctly.

[rockstar_not]

Not a syllable about improved time stretch. I can't believe it! Even if they said anything about time-stretching (to the non-T-initiated) it would mean that it would have to be serviceable at the very least, which T1's is not (use as a queer effect notwithstanding). Remember the T1 teaser - time and pitch stretching was right up there with the included sampler, one screen approach etc. The copy now says absolutely nothing about it.

They can keep all the plugins as far as I'm concerned. I've got most of them anyways. Even the ZR3 which says that the provider of that one is Mackie - looks like they bought out another company - ZR3 was from Rumpelrausch Taips.

My drum programming skills are 'pants' and I need an integrated time stretch tool for drum loops. The last thing I need is another software drum machine.

This looks bad, very bad. It looks like Mackie is trying to make T like Cakewalk or Cubase - bloated apps that cost too much. Isn't that what we all were trying to avoid and what attracted us to T in the first place, the low price and the crisp and clean minimal install and GUI?

I really really really hope that I'm wrong about this. I really hope for improved time stretching.

That is all I was hoping for with T2, seriously.

Otherwise, I guess I was just foolish for recently purchasing T1.

-Scott

[NAS]

Dont give up on T1 you have plenty of add on options for timestretching beats ,You could even rewire in Acid and have the ultimate looping inside T (Sort of) ,Personally i have een getting people here to buy the very cheap version of Acid ($49 i think) and it stretches beats like a good un ready to be loaded into T ,Its on the sony site as a download but i may have quoted the price wrong

[Lunch Money]

Man, people sure get negative quickly. If you bought T1 'hoping' for better timestretch, then that's all you did-- hope. It was never promised, though many people (including myself!) would love it. And if that -one- missing feature is enough for you to condemn the upgrade and all the hard work Jules has obviously put into this new baby, then you may have missed the point of Tracktion in general. T2 looks like a great evolution of T1 in terms of interface (always T's biggest selling point) and usability. The rest is just icing on the cake.



NAS is right... if you still like T1, just buy an add-on to help with your looping. I use eXT, but you can use Acid (as suggested), MicroDicer, Dicer, ReCycle, or whatever else you come across.

Greg

[valley]

MicroDicer, Dicer

I've been meaning to look at them for months now - I really should check them out...

[Improv]

It's only the boxless, manual-less version which costs $150.

Where did you see that? I must have missed it. If so, $150 minus any T1 discount is more than reasonable as
an upgrade.

[Lunch Money]

I tested out Microdicer and it was really quite easy to use. In the end, I didn't get it because it was basic functionality I had in other programs; however, Dicer offered new functionality and INCLUDES Microdicer for when you don't need the full deal.

Still very tempted.... plus it'd be nice to support Jon.

Greg

[valley]

It's only the boxless, manual-less version which costs $150.

Where did you see that? I must have missed it. If so, $150 minus any T1 discount is more than reasonable as
an upgrade.

I was talking about FL, sorry.

For all we know though, Mackie may well do a "download only" upgrade option. It's all speculation at this point.

[valley]

I tested out Microdicer and it was really quite easy to use. In the end, I didn't get it because it was basic functionality I had in other programs; however, Dicer offered new functionality and ICLUDES Microdicer for when you don't need the full deal.

It does? That's cool. I just looked at dicer and found microdicer's Ui to be much easier on the eyes, but for 10 extra dollars it'd be silly not to.

How stable ae they? Some of Jon's plugs have given me headaches in teh past (I know much of his stuff is pretty much permanently beta) and that's partly why I never quite got round to checking these plugs out.

[Improv]

It's only the boxless, manual-less version which costs $150.

Where did you see that? I must have missed it. If so, $150 minus any T1 discount is more than reasonable as
an upgrade.

I was talking about FL, sorry.

For all we know though, Mackie may well do a "download only" upgrade option. It's all speculation at this point.

Thanks for clarifying. If you re-read the press release, they are emphasizing the box version, but they certainly don't exclude the possibility of a downloadable version. After all, a downloadable version is how T1 got 'out there' so fast!