AI disqualifies anyone as a musician! It's like playback.

[starflakeprj]

You are comparing completely different styles of music. Just because you do not like what BONES and NOVAkILL are creating does not mean the music is bad. I also get the sense that your reaction is driven more by a personal bias against BONES, rather than by an objective assessment of the music itself.

I happen to like NOVAkILL’s music, but I was also introduced to EBM in the early nineties, so I may be approaching it from a different perspective. To me, they have taken the foundations of the genre and evolved them into something more modern without losing its identity.

I like the Hipster Bales and Madeon tracks as well, but my taste in music is quite broad, so I do not necessarily judge everything by the same standards or expect it all to sound alike.

[VariKusBrainZ]

Yeah thats all pretty stale, Madeon still sounds like his usual stuff though, that French House flavour which is Ok bit still not very creative

[Hipster Bales]

You are comparing completely different styles of music. Just because you do not like what BONES and NOVAkILL are creating does not mean the music is bad. I also get the sense that your reaction is driven more by a personal bias against BONES, rather than by an objective assessment of the music itself.

I happen to like NOVAkILL’s music, but I was also introduced to EBM in the early nineties, so I may be approaching it from a different perspective. To me, they have taken the foundations of the genre and evolved them into something more modern without losing its identity.

I like the Hipster Bales and Madeon tracks as well, but my taste in music is quite broad, so I do not necessarily judge everything by the same standards or expect it all to sound alike.

Fair enough, although I was comparing how they were made, not the styles

[Hipster Bales]

Yeah thats all pretty stale, Madeon still sounds like his usual stuff though, that French House flavour which is Ok bit still not very creative

I believe Madeon released a new album.
https://soundcloud.com/madeon/sets/victory-84802301

[starflakeprj]

You are comparing completely different styles of music. Just because you do not like what BONES and NOVAkILL are creating does not mean the music is bad. I also get the sense that your reaction is driven more by a personal bias against BONES, rather than by an objective assessment of the music itself.

I happen to like NOVAkILL’s music, but I was also introduced to EBM in the early nineties, so I may be approaching it from a different perspective. To me, they have taken the foundations of the genre and evolved them into something more modern without losing its identity.

I like the Hipster Bales and Madeon tracks as well, but my taste in music is quite broad, so I do not necessarily judge everything by the same standards or expect it all to sound alike.

Fair enough, although I was comparing how they were made, not the styles

Understood, but “terrible” is a highly subjective opinion that suggests you are simply not into this particular style, rather than being a reflection of the composition or production itself.

Also, it is not as though NOVAkILL is using AI to generate 100% of their tracks. They are not simply prompting an entire song and then adding vocals on top.

Anyway, if it were not for this discussion, I probably would not have listened to your music, and I genuinely like what I am hearing. The different styles, the overall production, and the mixes all sound very clean, and there is a lot of melodic potential as well.

[Hipster Bales]

Understood, but “terrible” is a highly subjective opinion that suggests you are simply not into this particular style, rather than being a reflection of the composition or production itself.

Also, it is not as though NOVAkILL is using AI to generate 100% of their tracks. They are not simply prompting an entire song and then adding vocals on top.

Anyway, if it were not for this discussion, I probably would not have listened to your music, and I genuinely like what I am hearing. The different styles, the overall production, and the mixes all sound very clean, and there is a lot of melodic potential as well.

Yea, I should have worded it better LOL, I edited my post to say "mix-wise"
Thanks about my music by the way, Heatwave took about 30 hours to make (according to the FLP).

[starflakeprj]

Understood, but “terrible” is a highly subjective opinion that suggests you are simply not into this particular style, rather than being a reflection of the composition or production itself.

Also, it is not as though NOVAkILL is using AI to generate 100% of their tracks. They are not simply prompting an entire song and then adding vocals on top.

Anyway, if it were not for this discussion, I probably would not have listened to your music, and I genuinely like what I am hearing. The different styles, the overall production, and the mixes all sound very clean, and there is a lot of melodic potential as well.

Yea, I should have worded it better LOL, I edited my post to say "mix-wise"
Thanks about my music by the way, Heatwave took about 30 hours to make (according to the FLP).

Damn, I usually give up before reaching 15 hours, at least if I get stuck in something that my brain wants, but I'm unable to get into my DAW

[Hipster Bales]

About 10-15 hours of that is spent on sound design (especially the drums, since I make my kicks, snares and most of my FX sounds) and mixing and mastering anyways.

[TheMaestro]

He outsourced "his" music to AI.
Music that is so low effort in the first place that it doesn't need AI for anything

BONES said the exact same thing about my own music, even though I put a lot of effort into my music (sound design, tension/release, key modulation to change the vibe, etc).

Why he is in here discussing sounds, quality, instruments, etc. is a mystery.
But I bet it's just to keep up his band's "angry" vibe, because that's all there is to their music.
Good riddance.

Good riddance indeed! The music that they made with AI sounds terrible in my opinion (mix-wise).

Compare NOVAkILL (or should I say AI's) tracks:
https://soundcloud.com/novakill-1/silentconsent
https://soundcloud.com/novakill-1/frost-on-broken-words

to some of my own and Madeon's tracks:
https://soundcloud.com/hipster-bales/hemsworth
https://soundcloud.com/madeon/madeon-icarus
https://soundcloud.com/madeon/madeon-shuriken
https://soundcloud.com/hipster-bales/hi ... s-heatwave

Sorry but everything here is pretty stale.

[Hipster Bales]

Sorry but everything here is pretty stale.

Fair enough, I did kinda blow that out of proportion when it comes to comparing music.

[VOODOO U]

Ouch. Yeah every one of those tracks loaded with cliches. Nothing new under the sun. But then again what's there left to do? All has been washed up and dried out.

[wagtunes]

:sigh: I did not bother reading through this whole thread. Life is too short.

Barry Manilow's "I Write The Songs" was no written by Barry Manilow. It was written by Bruce Johnston of the Beach Boys who, ironically, only wrote a few of their early songs and none of their classic big hits/ He was primarily responsible for a huge part of their harmony sound.

The stories I could tell about this business. But who cares? Most likely nobody here.

The only thing that disqualifies anybody as a songwriter, musician or whatever is themselves. If you don't think of yourself as a musician, you're not. Self doubt is the worst thing in the world. That's something I never suffered from. When I first started writing, my songs were horrible. But I would never admit to it. My productions were horrible. I would never admit to it. If I had, I would have quit. Today, I have a number of professional releases earning royalties. Yeah, it took me over 40 years. But had I suffered from self doubt, it would have never happened.

I use AI vocals for my songs. That doesn't make me not a singer because I still have to sing them.

Yes, this is me singing but it's not me singing.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... the-taking

I was told by the owner of Music For World Peace Records (where I have 12 singles released) that this is my best song. I'm not sure I agree but it's damn good and nobody can tell me it's not.

And now you can all carry on with this AI nonsense.

It makes no difference to me.

[TechHaus]

Hipster Bales is 15 folks. When he's like 20 he will probably be producing some bangers.

Relax

[Hipster Bales]

Hipster Bales is 15 folks. When he's like 20 he will probably be producing some bangers.

Relax

Thanks!

I will have also had a decade of music production experience, and I might have a signature sound, which I'm currently building up.

[VOODOO U]

Hipster Bales is 15 folks. When he's like 20 he will probably be producing some bangers.

Using A.I.