Native Instruments Supersaw synth

[zerocrossing]

I seriously have never been able to figure out the KVR gripe algorithm? 10-15 years ago Arturia was trashed every time they released anything, and NI could do no wrong. Now NI can do nothing right. I get being upset that NI have issues changing their GUIs for modern screens, but not to the point to where everything they do is garbage.

Yeah. At the moment NI and Cherry are the two getting pounded whatever they release. I wonder what will be next. Probably not u-he.

For a long time, Arturia let companies like U-He push the envelope of emulation quality to the next level and did nothing. They got slammed because their releases were lackluster. Cherry is similar, though more uneven. I think their biggest issue is that their emulations only emulate the feature set of a synthesizer, and not really the character.

U-He gets criticized for letting Diva get superseded by newer synths, including U-He's Repro. They get criticized for poor UX. They got a ton of criticism for taking 20 years between Zebra versions.

I think every developer gets criticized. Whether or not you think the criticism is justified is a matter of opinion. I'm down on N.I. because they basically stopped development on a lot of instruments that I liked a lot. I got excited that they started offering MIDI 2 controllers with polyphonic aftertouch, but then they did zero to support those features in their software offerings. It wouldn't surprise me if this new synth didn't support them either.

[Echoes in the Attic]

NI have always prominently featured modern dance pop producers and DJs, nothing has changed there.

As well as performers in all kinds of genres like R & B, Soul, Pop etc.

But for this particular thing, I really can't think of any synth concept that could be less interesting. It's too bad their re-entry into the non-reaktor synth plugin market was so meh.

It looks and sounds fine to me, I think this strikes me like a lot of their synths as of late as another offer to get someone like me to upgrade my Komplete when it's added into that package, and that's fine. I seriously have never been able to figure out the KVR gripe algorithm? 10-15 years ago Arturia was trashed every time they released anything, and NI could do no wrong. Now NI can do nothing right. I get being upset that NI have issues changing their GUIs for modern screens, but not to the point to where everything they do is garbage.

Yeah maybe it's overall saturation in the market, but the name alone makes me cringe a bit. And I guess I wish they'd do the stuff that everyone has been wanting for years like an updated FM8, high res and updated Kontakt edit mode, Reaktor modernization. When you look at what small devs accomplish and you think about how NI just let go of 100 people it's hard not to be disappointed that they don't focus on the stuff people care about more. If they even released a Reaktor Factory Library with larger GUIs, I'd say sign me up! Anyways I hope the synth does well, I am judging the book it's cover a bit here.

[machinesworking]

For a long time, Arturia let companies like U-He push the envelope of emulation quality to the next level and did nothing. They got slammed because their releases were lackluster. Cherry is similar, though more uneven. I think their biggest issue is that their emulations only emulate the feature set of a synthesizer, and not really the character.

U-He gets criticized for letting Diva get superseded by newer synths, including U-He's Repro. They get criticized for poor UX. They got a ton of criticism for taking 20 years between Zebra versions.

I think every developer gets criticized. Whether or not you think the criticism is justified is a matter of opinion. I'm down on N.I. because they basically stopped development on a lot of instruments that I liked a lot. I got excited that they started offering MIDI 2 controllers with polyphonic aftertouch, but then they did zero to support those features in their software offerings. It wouldn't surprise me if this new synth didn't support them either.

U-He get teased about Zebra 3 taking over a decade to come out, but they never got the flack that NI gets for their technical debt on Reaktor etc. The same thing that prevented Filterscape from being useful for over 10 years NI is completely skewered for. That's 100% due to Urs being an actual presence here and gently reminding people that it's not some walk in the park to completely redesign the GUI etc. Evil Dragon whether he wants to or not became the liaison between NI and forums like this, but he never gains the traction that Urs did talking about the issue. For instance he mentioned that NI had developed a new GUI front end (Komplete based) that would be eventually used to solve the issue of Reaktors absolute mess of a GUI. So only when you are building a plugin in Reaktor would you deal with a Windows 95 blurry GUI etc. Did nothing at all that he mentioned they were working on it.

NI have made all kinds of mistakes over the years, in some ways I think they earned their near demise, I owned Kore and Rig Kontrol, now dead with modern OS's and software, I gave up on Maschine because it still sucks at odd time signatures, there are a half dozen or more plugins they tossed to the wayside. The first version of Kontrol Mk1 hardware is no longer supported. All that said with the Kontrol Mk3 they learned from their mistakes and it's a great controller. They've almost died here, and I still have 20 odd Kontakt dependent libraries I love and use all the time. Abysnth 6 is great, was happy as hell to see it get some love, and ED mentioned that Reaktor was in the works to get a user facing skin to keep it viable without breaking their bank even further.

There's a groupthink noted and processed human love of "righteous" vengeance that I've never completely understood. I think that's at play here with this whole pile on that happens when a company doesn't respond in the way the hive mind thinks.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Their reputation has already been demolished.

For you, perhaps. But you don’t speak for everyone.

Which is why I stated as such, but I noticed you selectively quoted my comment. Nice try!

I didn’t selectively quote you. I just left off the second, seemingly disconnected, statement. Your first statement, that NI had destroyed their reputation was given as an objective fact. That’s why I took issue with it.

Had you said, “As far as I’m concerned, NI have already destroyed their reputation…” I wouldn’t have had any reason to disagree.

[D-Fusion]

U-he does get some badmouthing every now and then too
Many Softube fans like to tell how supperior the Model 80 is compared to repro or any other Prophet 5/10 for example.

[Kai Enaki]

Anyone compared Supersaw against SuperSerrated?

[D-Fusion]

I heard that the SuperStarSaw will get a companion call SuperUndeRated which will be a addon to add sub oscillators to the SuperStarSaw.

[psycho45039]

Their reputation has already been demolished.

For you, perhaps. But you don’t speak for everyone.

Which is why I stated as such, but I noticed you selectively quoted my comment. Nice try!

I didn’t selectively quote you. I just left off the second, seemingly disconnected, statement. Your first statement, that NI had destroyed their reputation was given as an objective fact. That’s why I took issue with it.

Had you said, “As far as I’m concerned, NI have already destroyed their reputation…” I wouldn’t have had any reason to disagree.

"No it's not. Their reputation has already been demolished and I don't trust the company to support anything for long."

The full statement I made. Maybe reading comprehension isn't your strong suit then. Then again maybe I've been burned by the company for longer than you. My first NI purchase was in 1999.

[jamcat]

I don't think insolvency helped their reputation any...

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Their reputation has already been demolished.

For you, perhaps. But you don’t speak for everyone.

Which is why I stated as such, but I noticed you selectively quoted my comment. Nice try!

I didn’t selectively quote you. I just left off the second, seemingly disconnected, statement. Your first statement, that NI had destroyed their reputation was given as an objective fact. That’s why I took issue with it.

Had you said, “As far as I’m concerned, NI have already destroyed their reputation…” I wouldn’t have had any reason to disagree.

"No it's not. Their reputation has already been demolished and I don't trust the company to support anything for long."

The full statement I made. Maybe reading comprehension isn't your strong suit then. Then again maybe I've been burned by the company for longer than you. My first NI purchase was in 1999.

“Their reputation has already been demolished “ is an objective statement. We’re it true, this thread would not exist because there wouldn’t be a single person willing to finance such a project, let alone anyone willing to buy the software.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I don't think insolvency helped their reputation any...

Likely not. But many of us realised that was not really of their doing.

[jamcat]

“Their reputation has already been demolished “ is an objective statement. We’re it true, this thread would not exist because there wouldn’t be a single person willing to finance such a project, let alone anyone willing to buy the software.

Wait, has anyone actually bought this $99 one-trick pony?
Show of hands, please.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

“Their reputation has already been demolished “ is an objective statement. We’re it true, this thread would not exist because there wouldn’t be a single person willing to finance such a project, let alone anyone willing to buy the software.

Wait, has anyone actually bought this $99 one-trick pony?

No doubt! Doesn’t interest me much, though I don’t have an issue with tools that specialise.

[jamcat]

I don't think insolvency helped their reputation any...

Likely not. But many of us realised that was not really of their doing.

Yes, of course it was.
They ran their business poorly and without any direction for YEARS and it finally caught up with them.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I don't think insolvency helped their reputation any...

Likely not. But many of us realised that was not really of their doing.

Yes, of course it was.
They ran their business poorly and without any direction for YEARS and it finally caught up with them.

How much were they in debt before Francisco stepped in?