Retrologue 2 - not authentic enough?

[IvyBirds]

I have 245 patches from HS in Diva, only 1 of the 6 you mentioned is among them: Pazong.
I will look into it later today, but it sounds horrible. Such noise would never enter music of mine. I grew up with music that was very keen on clean production. I am allergic to noise and distortion

Frankly, I don't understand you.
You give me a patch to match which uses the digital oscillator, in order to show how analog Diva sounds?!
I don't even know how that digital oscillator works. And frankly, I don't want to know.

Thank you for finally admitting the truth to the entire thread: you don't actually like analog sound.

You claim you are "allergic to noise and distortion" and prefer "clean production"? Harmonic saturation, non-linear distortion, component noise, and circuit overdrive are literally the foundational physics of analog hardware. Vintage Moogs, tape machines, tube preamps, and console transformers are defined by how they saturate and distort. If you want squeaky-clean, perfectly linear, sterile audio with zero harmonic saturation, you don't want analog at all—you want pure digital! Which completely explains why you love standard digital softsynths so much.

You spent days arguing about "analog sound," only to reveal that you hate harmonic saturation, don't understand signal path drive, and proudly refuse to learn how synths actually function under the hood. You don't want analog warmth—you just want a sterile digital synth with a low-pass filter, stop pretending you're discussing analog character when you're literally allergic to it.

"Pazong" was chosen specifically because it routes Diva's Feedback loop directly into the Moog Ladder filter to demonstrate non-linear circuit overdrive and dynamic saturation. It was meant to show you how a physical circuit modeling engine reacts when pushed hard—something Retrologue’s linear digital code literally cannot replicate without turning into harsh digital clipping.

Its contrasting the actual analog sound of the Moog Minimoog Ladder Filter versus the sterile digital filter of Retrologue. As for digital oscialtors what's the issue? Retrolouge has digital oscillators all you need to worry about is the filter

[TechHaus]

Ok, Ivy, you claimed victory many times over. Time to move it along or do you have 3 or 4 more days in you to post about Moog Ladder Filters?

[rasmusklump]

And the troll can continue or has he to move on as well?

[cobaia]

Retrolouge is adigital plugin executing digital math on a digital CPU. The only reason you think it sounds "analog" compared to a DX7 is because they use a standard subtractive signal path instead of frequency modulation.

That applies to Diva, Proxima etc. just the same... All digital...

[TechHaus]

And the troll can continue or has he to move on as well?

The answer is in your own question. Think about what a troll is.

This thread could have been over 4-5 pages ago when Ivy stated what he keeps repeating the first couple of times.

What's the point of going round and round. Who cares what one person things about Retrologue? Nobody! Stop bumping this crap.

[IvyBirds]

And the troll can continue or has he to move on as well?

The answer is in your own question. Think about what a troll is.

This thread could have been over 4-5 pages ago when Ivy stated what he keeps repeating the first couple of times.

What's the point of going round and round. Who cares what one person things about Retrologue? Nobody, stop bumping this crap.

Why are you bumping then?

[IvyBirds]

Retrolouge is adigital plugin executing digital math on a digital CPU. The only reason you think it sounds "analog" compared to a DX7 is because they use a standard subtractive signal path instead of frequency modulation.

That applies to Diva, Proxima etc. just the same... All digital...

Sure but the point if this thread is about which ones sound authentic right? You are on record saying you don't like the authentic sounds of analog, you want clean modern non analog sounding production

Nothing wrong with that, I do a lot of that also, but that's not authentic analog sounding either

[cobaia]

I have 245 patches from HS in Diva, only 1 of the 6 you mentioned is among them: Pazong.
I will look into it later today, but it sounds horrible. Such noise would never enter music of mine. I grew up with music that was very keen on clean production. I am allergic to noise and distortion

Frankly, I don't understand you.
You give me a patch to match which uses the digital oscillator, in order to show how analog Diva sounds?!
I don't even know how that digital oscillator works. And frankly, I don't want to know.

Thank you for finally admitting the truth to the entire thread: you don't actually like analog sound.

You claim you are "allergic to noise and distortion" and prefer "clean production"? Harmonic saturation, non-linear distortion, component noise, and circuit overdrive are literally the foundational physics of analog hardware. Vintage Moogs, tape machines, tube preamps, and console transformers are defined by how they saturate and distort. If you want squeaky-clean, perfectly linear, sterile audio with zero harmonic saturation, you don't want analog at all—you want pure digital! Which completely explains why you love standard digital softsynths so much.

You spent days arguing about "analog sound," only to reveal that you hate harmonic saturation, don't understand signal path drive, and proudly refuse to learn how synths actually function under the hood. You don't want analog warmth—you just want a sterile digital synth with a low-pass filter, stop pretending you're discussing analog character when you're literally allergic to it.

"Pazong" was chosen specifically because it routes Diva's Feedback loop directly into the Moog Ladder filter to demonstrate non-linear circuit overdrive and dynamic saturation. It was meant to show you how a physical circuit modeling engine reacts when pushed hard—something Retrologue’s linear digital code literally cannot replicate without turning into harsh digital clipping.

Its contrasting the actual analog sound of the Moog Minimoog Ladder Filter versus the sterile digital filter of Retrologue. As for digital oscialtors what's the issue? Retrolouge has digital oscillators all you need to worry about is the filter

To me good, authentic analog sound is the pleasant sound I know from music from the late 70s and early 80s, when analog synths ruled. Obviously you have a different idea what typical analog sound is...

This song for instance is full of analog synths, but no distortion as far as I can hear:

[Essent]

I miss frequency diagrams in these kind of discussions.

[Muziksculp]

Maybe Steinberg will release Retrologue 3 with Cubase 16 Pro later this year. Just guessing. this might not happen.

[JohnnyFoster]

I have both DIVA and Retrologue 2, and I have to say that Retrologue is great at what it does. Does it sound just like DIVA? Sometimes I can get amazingly close. Other times, DIVA does get more "analog-ey". But who cares? I don't. I really like Retrologue for the amazing capabilities that it DOES have, and I'm not kicking it out of my template because it's not like DIVA. DIVA is great on many things, and so is Retrologue. It's definitely "authentic" enough for me, and I have TONS of great V.I.s... Steinberg did a fantastic job with it. At the end of the day, it's not what's "analog" - it's what sounds good. That's all I care about in an instrument.

[cobaia]

I have both DIVA and Retrologue 2, and I have to say that Retrologue is great at what it does. Does it sound just like DIVA? Sometimes I can get amazingly close. Other times, DIVA does get more "analog-ey". But who cares? I don't. I really like Retrologue for the amazing capabilities that it DOES have, and I'm not kicking it out of my template because it's not like DIVA. DIVA is great on many things, and so is Retrologue. It's definitely "authentic" enough for me, and I have TONS of great V.I.s... Steinberg did a fantastic job with it. At the end of the day, it's not what's "analog" - it's what sounds good. That's all I care about in an instrument.

Well said!

[Igro]

Retrologue was based on Halion VA engine. I remember I tried Halion 7 VA engine and it sounded like a typical VA synth from 20 years ago - the envelopes were slow and the sound was very digital (the latter is fine, cause it is just a subtractive synth for the masses). It sounds nothing like Diva. The trolling is continuing here. I guess the next step would be posting two static saw waves from both synths with a comment like: "Look how similar they are!"