not so optimistic

[aldi]

hmm.. 199 ?!

this is too much.
t2 will be bundled with lets say "not so good" plugins.
-the working with rm4 is good but it needs way too much cpu power on large kits (double than battery and 10x than dr-008, even 4x of BFD !!!) so it's crap.

-sampletank is well known for crashing.
-amplitube is ok but the free simulanalog guitar suite sounds much much better.
-slayer is a funny band and didn't sound very realistic
-the rest is (or was ) freeware.

and i don't understand, why jules changed his mind on the size of plugins in tracktion.

so let's say, the plugins are just marketing and free gifts:

199 for the new features !?
half of them are bugfixes and things that have to be in a half professional sequencer and that we (the time we bought t1) expected in t1 like : looprecording, sync, auxsends,enhanced midi editor

and then we have some things only mackie need (HDR import, native mackie controler support...)

and things, noone really needs but maby nice to have: 64-BIT, 192KHZ, more colors...

I'm hoping some important things only haven't been mentioned by mackie : fast way for monitor mixing, grouping, folders (without it a 50 track recording isn't much fun), locking wave position, PDC on aux, midiplayback of 40 notes at the same time that uses less cpu performance than playing back 40 audiotracks .....

ok, i love trackion and i'm hoping the best.

btw. why isn't there a volumeslider on the auxsend ICON (like the volume/pan fader) !!!

[haydxn]

$199 isn't for new features.

i think you'll find that 'new features' are for people who already have Tracktion. 'new program' costs $199. 'new features' costs at maximum $120

[Lunch Money]

I think you missed the points made in other threads, aldi.

Also, your perspective is clearly skewed. When deciding if a product is a 'worthwhile' upgrade, there are 2 things to consider:

1. Is it a worthwhile upgrade for YOU?
2. Is it a worthwhile upgrade in general? (ie. for other potential customers)

Do not make the mistake of confusing #1 and #2 for each other, because they're not the same thing.

Also, a lot of the issues you mentioned seem from out of left field... like... you've missed the point on something... I don't think I even have the energy to address it!

Greg

[rpc9943]

I kind of do see what he's saying though... I mean I upgraded adobe audition for more improvements for a whole lot less ($75)

...

Let's be honest. He has a point.

RonC

[Lunch Money]

Ron, you lack the fundamentals in which to assess somebody's statement for logical merit. While everyon'e entitled to an opinion, surely you must realize that some opinions are founded in more substance than others.

My main point is this: the cost of the upgrade has been addressed in other threads? Why make another one except to troll?

Greg

[aldi]

thanx ron, that IS my point

[M'Snah]

I kind of do see what he's saying though... I mean I upgraded adobe audition for more improvements for a whole lot less ($75)

...

Let's be honest. He has a point.

RonC

Maybe you can start another group buy and get a collective lower price

--HansM

[Lunch Money]

thanx ron, that IS my point

But...

That' WASN'T your point. That was Ron's point. Which also lacks logic. Whatever company X does with their product has little or nothing to do with what company Y "should" do. It might influence their decision, but the two things are ultimately unrelated. Not to mention that the products are apples and oranges... or at least McIntosh Apples and Granny Smith apples.

Your point seemed to be "I don't think the features justify the cost", which doesn't make sense considering the features you chose to zero in on. They're concerns specific to only your own point of view. Fine, you're pessimistic about how it will fit into your personal work and your personal studio... but since it's entirely your perspective, why should anyone else give a toss?

I didn't start a thread saying, "$199? Wow, what a bargain for what you get!" even though that's exactly how I feel.

It seems like the negative people and complainers around here just can't WAIT to let the world know that they don't like something.

[aldi]

not to understand me wrong, i'm just hoping that the updateprice will be fair ($50 or so) and till now I'm dissapointed about the improvements compared to the long time waiting (jules is alone i know, but without mackie he could have done more, i bet they said to him : We need some good looking features and some things that make tracktion unique for mackie hardware...

[aldi]

199 is a fair price but 120 wouldn't for t1 owners, and a hate the hype many people here are making for things that aren't THAT GREAT.

It seems like the positive people around here just can't WAIT to let the world know that they hate critic.

[rpc9943]

I'm buying it no matter what the price but I sort of agree with aldi's mindset.

RonC

[Lunch Money]

Yes,

I can't WAIT to be more positive and try to dissuade people from being so hyper-critical and pessimistic. I'm afraid that makes me a GOOD person, not a bad one.

You have missed the boat on what the update really IS, though, as have many people. The update is not new plug-ins. It's a new way of interfacing with your studio environment. Already on the list of improvements that bring it into the $199 is a bargain category:

-loop audio recording, which implies track folders.
-broadcast .wav format, which will be useful for many people
-higher internal resolution
-interface improvements
-'proper' MIDI AND Step-Recorder
-support for non-Mackie controllers
-Mackie specific stuff that -- believe it or not -- other sequencers ALSO have and deemed important, and which existing Mackie customers will be happy about

Are many of those features that other sequencers have had since... forever? Yup! But some of those applications STILL cost 2X or more as much as Tracktion. It's just that now that they're finally a part of Tracktion, the more expensive price tag IS justified, because it puts the software alongside its true competitors. But is still usually cheaper. I know I would rather have T2 than Cubase SL, for example.

I don't go to the Cubase forum, but when they pay for an update, do they ever say "What?? You STILL haven't included modular routing for your effects? Tracktion has had this since V1!!!"

I mean, you're STILL missing the point. The upgrade doesn't make YOU happy because you're zeroing in on the small features (why even discuss the plug-ins? They're not what we're paying for, they're just a bonus!) that you're displeased with. I mean... it's a substantial update to the very way Tracktion works, without dismissing what made T1 special in the first place.

I can't believe how easily people distract themselves and miss the point. Brutal.

Greg

[M'Snah]

It's disappointing that with T2 you will get a whole bunch of Special Edition plugins ... who's waiting for that? And why not DK+ instead of RMIV?

--HansM

[rpc9943]

what would have made me happy I think, concerning the plugins included would have been shortcircuit :'(

RonC

[Lunch Money]

what would have made me happy I think, concerning the plugins included would have been shortcircuit :'(

RonC

No way. You'd have found something else to zero in on.

What might have made you happy was all of this, but as a free or $20 upgrade. But then you'd probably complain that without a bigger price tag, people still won't take Tracktion seriously.

Honestly, I believe that no matter the situation, you would have found some way to be negative about it.

Greg