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audiojunkie wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 12:59 pm
stoopicus wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 12:47 pm
keys_au1 wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 7:08 pm Which leads me to conclude that it is still Windows that is best for doing both tasks on a single OS on a single machine.
It's definitely not my OS of choice, and I don't run it at home or at work, but this is an accurate statement for those who don’t RTFM, yes - especially for gaming.
FIFY
No, no you did not :lol:

Look, I use linux daily. I love linux. I've mained it in the past as my home desktop OS, including for gaming. I know exactly what its capabilities are.

You don't have any valid argument here. In terms of breadth of commercial software available, and ability to run AAA games, Linux cannot touch Windows.

Funny fact: BSD also technically runs games better than linux, as Playstation 5's OS is FreeBSD-based :lol:

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audiojunkie wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 3:41 pm
legendCNCD wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 8:28 am
Kai Enaki wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 3:11 am The problem with Linux and audio production are software availability and DRMs like iLok.
I do not think its this. The basic low latency (under 128 samples) high CPU (over 90%) is just not there yet either, from what I've heard.
The thing is that it must be configured properly to be able to run that way. A Linux system has the complete flexibility to run as a solid production server, or an ultra low latency audio appliance. Virtually all audio hardware devices that use an OS use Linux. Synthesizers, mixers, and other hardware gear use Linux--they don't use Windows or MacOS.
Yeah, Linux is for sure a good part of your SW stack, if you are able to build and configure everything from scratch and write the remaining part of the SW yourself as the HW gear manufacturers do.

Zeisner wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 7:27 am
SamDi wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 7:55 am You could have asked me that years ago, or whenever you started doing that, and I could have told you.
Well, I didn't know you back then. Only the typical delusional fanatics/trolls who claim that Linux is perfect and can do everything much better than any other OS...
For sure Linux runs very well in embedded, in servers and whereever, as long as you are capable to put engineering effort on it to make run, whatever you wanna.

As a base for PCs/workstations, etc. it's crap, because it's barely supported from any commercial SW providers. It's not just, that you haven't the DAWs and the plugins from most of the brands. It's also, that almost all HW, which needs drivers to interact with the PC doesn't support Linux. So what's the point of using it, when most of the stuff for making music doesn't run on it?

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audiojunkie wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 12:42 pm
D-Fusion wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 9:28 am
Zeisner wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 7:27 am
SamDi wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 7:55 am You could have asked me that years ago, or whenever you started doing that, and I could have told you.
Well, I didn't know you back then. Only the typical delusional fanatics/trolls who claim that Linux is perfect and can do everything much better than any other OS...
I was a bit in the Linux Honeymoon phase a few months ago but i quickly realized it's shortcomings :)

Linux have issues just like any other OS but what i found to be the Most annoying with Linux after using only Linux in a 8 month period was the Lack of Backwards compatibillity and dependencies that got removed/broken after you uninstalled a program or did a system upgrade.

For linux to be a better OS it would need to be able to know what dependencies the various programs use and keep them.
I you uninstall one program and use the Autoremove command to clean up after that it removes the dependencies that the other programs use which makes the other installed programs broken and then you will need to find and re-install those dependencies again.

There is a clunky way to get around it by creating something like a Distrobox Container so the music programs and windows vst's won't get affected by a Upgrade or Changes to other programs so it is a great OS for those that want to tinker with a Modular OS like Linux but I found it to be to annoying in the end when i could just make a separate Offline windows Install with all my programs and games that works without any need for tweaking or tinkering and make a system image backup of that.

The best way to use Linux today is to only use native programs and for internet browsing if you are worried about Microsoft's heavy use of Telemetry and Privacy and keep a Offline Windows install on a separate partition/drive.
You probably used more than one repository, and didn’t do any repository prioritization and app pinning. The package manager can and does manage the dependencies—it does it well. But if you are using more than one repository, there are some things you must configure and simple rules you must follow. You must configure the repository order. You configure the package manager to search and install packages from the default repo, and only use the next repo if you can’t find an app in the main repo. If you must use another repo that has some of the same apps as the main repo, always make sure you install from the main repo first.
Dependency hell occurs when conflicting software requirements, often caused by rogue third-party updates, create system instability. Implementing repository prioritization prevents this by forcing package managers to check official, stable sources before lower-priority repositories, eliminating circular dependencies and preventing repository cannibalization.

It’s not a problem with Linux. You just didn’t do your repository prioritization and follow best practices. The good news is that you are now learning about it, so you won’t have any problems in the future. This is a vital basic configuration step. It took me a while to learn this too. Now you know what to do so that you don’t have to worry about these issues any more. :)
I think it had more to do with the Platform i choosed.
I built my own Debian 13 based distro and that was the most stable of them execpt for when i forgot to set a few of the dependencies on hold so they wouldn't be affected by Apt autoremove command and updates so there where workarounds outside of using a Distrobox there :)

Then i fell in love with Fedora 43 and quickly realized that the nature of it's rolling releases where a nightmare for my Wine+Yabridge setup since upgrading it to Fedora 44 when i tested it upgraded Wine from 9.21 to Wine 11 and Wine 9.21 is needed for Yabridge to work properly.
And not only that but it also removed Yabridge since Fedora 44 needed a New COPR for Yabridge.

It wouldn't have been a huge issue if Yabridge supported newer Wine versions after Wine 9.21 since Yabridge is very easy to set up manually without the use of COPR and it was the constant babysitting of that system that gave me a bit of Linux Fatigue.
One wrong move or update and i had to restore my System image to get back to where i left off.

It is different if you only use 100% Linux software and remember to exclude certain dependencies from being deleted since those programs do get regular updates when needed so in that situation it is much better than Windows after it has been set up properly :tu:

So it depends on what you want to get out of the OS and what plugins you want to use.
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stoopicus wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 1:05 pm
audiojunkie wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 12:59 pm
stoopicus wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 12:47 pm
keys_au1 wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 7:08 pm Which leads me to conclude that it is still Windows that is best for doing both tasks on a single OS on a single machine.
It's definitely not my OS of choice, and I don't run it at home or at work, but this is an accurate statement for those who don’t RTFM, yes - especially for gaming.
FIFY
No, no you did not :lol:

Look, I use linux daily. I love linux. I've mained it in the past as my home desktop OS, including for gaming. I know exactly what its capabilities are.

You don't have any valid argument here. In terms of breadth of commercial software available, and ability to run AAA games, Linux cannot touch Windows.

Funny fact: BSD also technically runs games better than linux, as Playstation 5's OS is FreeBSD-based :lol:
I was referring to your agreement of the OP’s assessment, not gaming.
Vendor‑Dependent Copy Protection: Customers lose. Pirates win.:mad:
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
:roll:

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SamDi wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 1:13 pm
audiojunkie wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2026 3:41 pm
legendCNCD wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 8:28 am
Kai Enaki wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 3:11 am The problem with Linux and audio production are software availability and DRMs like iLok.
I do not think its this. The basic low latency (under 128 samples) high CPU (over 90%) is just not there yet either, from what I've heard.
The thing is that it must be configured properly to be able to run that way. A Linux system has the complete flexibility to run as a solid production server, or an ultra low latency audio appliance. Virtually all audio hardware devices that use an OS use Linux. Synthesizers, mixers, and other hardware gear use Linux--they don't use Windows or MacOS.
Yeah, Linux is for sure a good part of your SW stack, if you are able to build and configure everything from scratch and write the remaining part of the SW yourself as the HW gear manufacturers do.

Zeisner wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 7:27 am
SamDi wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 7:55 am You could have asked me that years ago, or whenever you started doing that, and I could have told you.
Well, I didn't know you back then. Only the typical delusional fanatics/trolls who claim that Linux is perfect and can do everything much better than any other OS...
For sure Linux runs very well in embedded, in servers and whereever, as long as you are capable to put engineering effort on it to make run, whatever you wanna.

As a base for PCs/workstations, etc. it's crap, because it's barely supported from any commercial SW providers. It's not just, that you haven't the DAWs and the plugins from most of the brands. It's also, that almost all HW, which needs drivers to interact with the PC doesn't support Linux. So what's the point of using it, when most of the stuff for making music doesn't run on it?
Linux uses the same Class Compliant hardware that Apple and Windows uses. I see no problem with basic hardware support.
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Vendor‑Dependent Copy Protection: Customers lose. Pirates win.:mad:
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
:roll:

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D-Fusion wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 1:19 pm
audiojunkie wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 12:42 pm
D-Fusion wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 9:28 am
Zeisner wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 7:27 am
SamDi wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 7:55 am You could have asked me that years ago, or whenever you started doing that, and I could have told you.
Well, I didn't know you back then. Only the typical delusional fanatics/trolls who claim that Linux is perfect and can do everything much better than any other OS...
I was a bit in the Linux Honeymoon phase a few months ago but i quickly realized it's shortcomings :)

Linux have issues just like any other OS but what i found to be the Most annoying with Linux after using only Linux in a 8 month period was the Lack of Backwards compatibillity and dependencies that got removed/broken after you uninstalled a program or did a system upgrade.

For linux to be a better OS it would need to be able to know what dependencies the various programs use and keep them.
I you uninstall one program and use the Autoremove command to clean up after that it removes the dependencies that the other programs use which makes the other installed programs broken and then you will need to find and re-install those dependencies again.

There is a clunky way to get around it by creating something like a Distrobox Container so the music programs and windows vst's won't get affected by a Upgrade or Changes to other programs so it is a great OS for those that want to tinker with a Modular OS like Linux but I found it to be to annoying in the end when i could just make a separate Offline windows Install with all my programs and games that works without any need for tweaking or tinkering and make a system image backup of that.

The best way to use Linux today is to only use native programs and for internet browsing if you are worried about Microsoft's heavy use of Telemetry and Privacy and keep a Offline Windows install on a separate partition/drive.
You probably used more than one repository, and didn’t do any repository prioritization and app pinning. The package manager can and does manage the dependencies—it does it well. But if you are using more than one repository, there are some things you must configure and simple rules you must follow. You must configure the repository order. You configure the package manager to search and install packages from the default repo, and only use the next repo if you can’t find an app in the main repo. If you must use another repo that has some of the same apps as the main repo, always make sure you install from the main repo first.
Dependency hell occurs when conflicting software requirements, often caused by rogue third-party updates, create system instability. Implementing repository prioritization prevents this by forcing package managers to check official, stable sources before lower-priority repositories, eliminating circular dependencies and preventing repository cannibalization.

It’s not a problem with Linux. You just didn’t do your repository prioritization and follow best practices. The good news is that you are now learning about it, so you won’t have any problems in the future. This is a vital basic configuration step. It took me a while to learn this too. Now you know what to do so that you don’t have to worry about these issues any more. :)
I think it had more to do with the Platform i choosed.
I built my own Debian 13 based distro and that was the most stable of them execpt for when i forgot to set a few of the dependencies on hold so they wouldn't be affected by Apt autoremove command and updates so there where workarounds outside of using a Distrobox there :)

Then i fell in love with Fedora 43 and quickly realized that the nature of it's rolling releases where a nightmare for my Wine+Yabridge setup since upgrading it to Fedora 44 when i tested it upgraded Wine from 9.21 to Wine 11 and Wine 9.21 is needed for Yabridge to work properly.
And not only that but it also removed Yabridge since Fedora 44 needed a New COPR for Yabridge.

It wouldn't have been a huge issue if Yabridge supported newer Wine versions after Wine 9.21 since Yabridge is very easy to set up manually without the use of COPR and it was the constant babysitting of that system that gave me a bit of Linux Fatigue.
One wrong move or update and i had to restore my System image to get back to where i left off.

It is different if you only use 100% Linux software and remember to exclude certain dependencies from being deleted since those programs do get regular updates when needed so in that situation it is much better than Windows after it has been set up properly :tu:

So it depends on what you want to get out of the OS and what plugins you want to use.
There’s no question that using native software is easier than using a foreign OS’s software. I agree. Apple uses WINE too, for the same reason. I’ll agree with you on this. I’m curious though about your comment about Fedora being a rolling release. Were you using Rawhide? That’s the only rolling distro from Fedora. Everything else is versioned.
Vendor‑Dependent Copy Protection: Customers lose. Pirates win.:mad:
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
:roll:

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D-Fusion wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 9:28 am Linux have issues just like any other OS but what i found to be the Most annoying with Linux after using only Linux in a 8 month period was the Lack of Backwards compatibillity and dependencies that got removed/broken after you uninstalled a program or did a system upgrade.

For linux to be a better OS it would need to be able to know what dependencies the various programs use and keep them.
I you uninstall one program and use the Autoremove command to clean up after that it removes the dependencies that the other programs use which makes the other installed programs broken and then you will need to find and re-install those dependencies again.

There is a clunky way to get around it by creating something like a Distrobox Container so the music programs and windows vst's won't get affected by a Upgrade or Changes to other programs so it is a great OS for those that want to tinker with a Modular OS like Linux but I found it to be to annoying in the end when i could just make a separate Offline windows Install with all my programs and games that works without any need for tweaking or tinkering and make a system image backup of that.
Unless you already have, take a look at NixOS. It might solve your dependency issue and more. The short of it is that NixOS isolates a package and its dependencies. Although this makes it an immutable distro in theory it's more of a hybrid in practice. A bit like having the stability of Debian and the flexibility of Arch.

I usually don't recommend it unless people know Linux or have some programming knowledge from before. It's not as bad as that makes it sound, but it's not a distro for people who just expect things to work without user input. Having said that. You won't find a more stable and reliable system after everything is set up.

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audiojunkie wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 1:23 pm Linux uses the same Class Compliant hardware that Apple uses. I see no problem with basic hardware support.
On my list of next interfaces that I want to try on Linux are the SSL 18 and Neumann MT 48.
REAPER + Davinci Resolve Pro on Manjaro KDE. Neve 88m. Focusrite 18i20 2nd gen. Neumann NDH30 headphones. Mics: Telefunken TF39, AT4050, Miktek C7e, EV RE-15. VSTs: u-he Hive 2, F'em, Renoise Redux, Apisonic Speedrum 2.

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Ahhh rolling release...have 300 software updates waiting for me this morning.

The only time I've had an issue in the past 4-5 years is when pacman crashed mid update and I just had to log in from a usb-stick to finish the update. Used to be an issue pre-2022ish.

I would swtich distros but Manjaro is juist too solid!

The only negative of rolling release for me is if you have a datacap. I assume some countries do.
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REAPER + Davinci Resolve Pro on Manjaro KDE. Neve 88m. Focusrite 18i20 2nd gen. Neumann NDH30 headphones. Mics: Telefunken TF39, AT4050, Miktek C7e, EV RE-15. VSTs: u-he Hive 2, F'em, Renoise Redux, Apisonic Speedrum 2.

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Kai Enaki wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 1:31 pm
D-Fusion wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 9:28 am Linux have issues just like any other OS but what i found to be the Most annoying with Linux after using only Linux in a 8 month period was the Lack of Backwards compatibillity and dependencies that got removed/broken after you uninstalled a program or did a system upgrade.

For linux to be a better OS it would need to be able to know what dependencies the various programs use and keep them.
I you uninstall one program and use the Autoremove command to clean up after that it removes the dependencies that the other programs use which makes the other installed programs broken and then you will need to find and re-install those dependencies again.

There is a clunky way to get around it by creating something like a Distrobox Container so the music programs and windows vst's won't get affected by a Upgrade or Changes to other programs so it is a great OS for those that want to tinker with a Modular OS like Linux but I found it to be to annoying in the end when i could just make a separate Offline windows Install with all my programs and games that works without any need for tweaking or tinkering and make a system image backup of that.
Unless you already have, take a look at NixOS. It might solve your dependency issue and more. The short of it is that NixOS isolates a package and its dependencies. Although this makes it an immutable distro in theory it's more of a hybrid in practice. A bit like having the stability of Debian and the flexibility of Arch.

I usually don't recommend it unless people know Linux or have some programming knowledge from before. It's not as bad as that makes it sound, but it's not a distro for people who just expect things to work without user input. Having said that. You won't find a more stable and reliable system after everything is set up.
He’s coming along in learning the Linux way. But I worry that NixOS may be a bit much for him as a new user. But I’ll leave it up to him to decide. :)
Vendor‑Dependent Copy Protection: Customers lose. Pirates win.:mad:
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
:roll:

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audiojunkie wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 1:29 pm
D-Fusion wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 1:19 pm
audiojunkie wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 12:42 pm
D-Fusion wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 9:28 am
Zeisner wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 7:27 am
SamDi wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 7:55 am You could have asked me that years ago, or whenever you started doing that, and I could have told you.
Well, I didn't know you back then. Only the typical delusional fanatics/trolls who claim that Linux is perfect and can do everything much better than any other OS...
I was a bit in the Linux Honeymoon phase a few months ago but i quickly realized it's shortcomings :)

Linux have issues just like any other OS but what i found to be the Most annoying with Linux after using only Linux in a 8 month period was the Lack of Backwards compatibillity and dependencies that got removed/broken after you uninstalled a program or did a system upgrade.

For linux to be a better OS it would need to be able to know what dependencies the various programs use and keep them.
I you uninstall one program and use the Autoremove command to clean up after that it removes the dependencies that the other programs use which makes the other installed programs broken and then you will need to find and re-install those dependencies again.

There is a clunky way to get around it by creating something like a Distrobox Container so the music programs and windows vst's won't get affected by a Upgrade or Changes to other programs so it is a great OS for those that want to tinker with a Modular OS like Linux but I found it to be to annoying in the end when i could just make a separate Offline windows Install with all my programs and games that works without any need for tweaking or tinkering and make a system image backup of that.

The best way to use Linux today is to only use native programs and for internet browsing if you are worried about Microsoft's heavy use of Telemetry and Privacy and keep a Offline Windows install on a separate partition/drive.
You probably used more than one repository, and didn’t do any repository prioritization and app pinning. The package manager can and does manage the dependencies—it does it well. But if you are using more than one repository, there are some things you must configure and simple rules you must follow. You must configure the repository order. You configure the package manager to search and install packages from the default repo, and only use the next repo if you can’t find an app in the main repo. If you must use another repo that has some of the same apps as the main repo, always make sure you install from the main repo first.
Dependency hell occurs when conflicting software requirements, often caused by rogue third-party updates, create system instability. Implementing repository prioritization prevents this by forcing package managers to check official, stable sources before lower-priority repositories, eliminating circular dependencies and preventing repository cannibalization.

It’s not a problem with Linux. You just didn’t do your repository prioritization and follow best practices. The good news is that you are now learning about it, so you won’t have any problems in the future. This is a vital basic configuration step. It took me a while to learn this too. Now you know what to do so that you don’t have to worry about these issues any more. :)
I think it had more to do with the Platform i choosed.
I built my own Debian 13 based distro and that was the most stable of them execpt for when i forgot to set a few of the dependencies on hold so they wouldn't be affected by Apt autoremove command and updates so there where workarounds outside of using a Distrobox there :)

Then i fell in love with Fedora 43 and quickly realized that the nature of it's rolling releases where a nightmare for my Wine+Yabridge setup since upgrading it to Fedora 44 when i tested it upgraded Wine from 9.21 to Wine 11 and Wine 9.21 is needed for Yabridge to work properly.
And not only that but it also removed Yabridge since Fedora 44 needed a New COPR for Yabridge.

It wouldn't have been a huge issue if Yabridge supported newer Wine versions after Wine 9.21 since Yabridge is very easy to set up manually without the use of COPR and it was the constant babysitting of that system that gave me a bit of Linux Fatigue.
One wrong move or update and i had to restore my System image to get back to where i left off.

It is different if you only use 100% Linux software and remember to exclude certain dependencies from being deleted since those programs do get regular updates when needed so in that situation it is much better than Windows after it has been set up properly :tu:

So it depends on what you want to get out of the OS and what plugins you want to use.
There’s no question that using native software is easier than using a foreign OS’s software. I agree. Apple uses WINE too, for the same reason. I’ll agree with you on this. I’m curious though about your comment about Fedora being a rolling release. Were you using Rawhide? That’s the only rolling distro from Fedora. Everything else is versioned.
Fedora is a Rolling release since it has a new Major version every 6 Months that only have support for 13 months that breaks the last versions of installed COPR 90% of the time so you always have to make sure that all your programs are as new as possible. :)

That is what a Rolling release means and something like Mint or Ubuntu are LTS Long time support so you will encounter less issues there since it will use the same core and codename for many years before a big uppgrade is released.

So every 6 to 13 months you must be prepared for some programs that will not work in the Latest Fedora version until it is updated for the Latest Fedora version.

I am not a newbie to Linux. The first time I used Linux was in 1998 (Red Hat), and after that i used Mint for some time and Linux has become very good compared to the older days ;)
I even have my own scripts that i made to install what i needed from the terminal since i got tired of having to do it manually everytime i tried a new Distro.

The issue I have is that Linux does not support everything that i rely on from windows and i had a lot of what i used on windows installed on Linux without any issues until a new uppgrade came on Fedora.

Fedora Removes everything that it doesn't agree with when you do a system uppgrade from one version to another and yes you can force it to ignore it but that doesn't mean that those programs will work after the uppgrade.

I have heard a lot about NixOS so maybe i will try that later when i don't have anything better to do :)

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D-Fusion wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 3:17 pm
audiojunkie wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 1:29 pm
D-Fusion wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 1:19 pm
audiojunkie wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 12:42 pm
D-Fusion wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 9:28 am
Zeisner wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 7:27 am ...
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There’s no question that using native software is easier than using a foreign OS’s software. I agree. Apple uses WINE too, for the same reason. I’ll agree with you on this. I’m curious though about your comment about Fedora being a rolling release. Were you using Rawhide? That’s the only rolling distro from Fedora. Everything else is versioned.
Fedora is a Rolling release since it has a new Major version every 6 Months that only have support for 13 months that breaks the last versions of installed COPR 90% of the time so you always have to make sure that all your programs are as new as possible. :)

That is what a Rolling release means and something like Mint or Ubuntu are LTS Long time support so you will encounter less issues there since it will use the same core and codename for many years before a big uppgrade is released.

So every 6 to 13 months you must be prepared for some programs that will not work in the Latest Fedora version until it is updated for the Latest Fedora version.

I am not a newbie to Linux. The first time I used Linux was in 1998 (Red Hat), and after that i used Mint for some time and Linux has become very good compared to the older days ;)
I even have my own scripts that i made to install what i needed from the terminal since i got tired of having to do it manually everytime i tried a new Distro.

The issue I have is that Linux does not support everything that i rely on from windows and i had a lot of what i used on windows installed on Linux without any issues until a new uppgrade came on Fedora.

Fedora Removes everything that it doesn't agree with when you do a system uppgrade from one version to another and yes you can force it to ignore it but that doesn't mean that those programs will work after the uppgrade.

I have heard a lot about NixOS so maybe i will try that later when i don't have anything better to do :)
It's fine if you feel that way. I'm just staying with standard semantics so that there is no misunderstanding when communicating with others. Fedora, by standard semantics uses a biannual versioned release. When staying with standard semantics, an example of a "rolling release" would be Arch or Fedora Rawhide, where new packages and updates roll in constantly.

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release

So, if you want to define Fedora as a rolling release, rather than using standard semantics, that's fine, but to make sure that others are understanding what you are talking about, you'll need to clarify by saying:
Fedora is a Rolling release since it has a new Major version every 6 Months that only have support for 13 months that breaks the last versions of installed COPR 90% of the time so you always have to make sure that all your programs are as new as possible.
Otherwise, people will simply feel that you are wrong.

The standard definition is in regards to a continuous delivery concept, rather than a versioned "point release":
The term "point release" refers to a common method of software versioning in which a major version is followed by a decimal point and a minor version. When a new minor version is released, the number after the decimal point is incremented, e.g. from 7.0 to 7.1, or from 2.4.9 to 2.4.10.[1] The incrementing of the number after the "point" led to this phenomenon being called a "point release".
But it's not something worth arguing or fighting about. As long as I understand what "you" mean when you say rolling release, "Fedora is a Rolling release since it has a new Major version every 6 Months that only have support for 13 months that breaks the last versions of installed COPR 90% of the time so you always have to make sure that all your programs are as new as possible.", then we are good. :)
Vendor‑Dependent Copy Protection: Customers lose. Pirates win.:mad:
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
:roll:

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audiojunkie wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 1:23 pm Linux uses the same Class Compliant hardware that Apple uses. I see no problem with basic hardware support.
Often you have drivers, which go beyond class compliant.

So e.g. for Roland Fantom you have a driver to get full DAW support. Anyway, no DAW running on Linux is supported. Furthermore I think (I‘m not 100% sure), that only MIDI is supported class compliant For audio you would need the dedicated driver.

The same is with my Behringer X32. Also there I am not really sure, if the 32 channels would run via class compliant standard. At least I did install a driver for Windows.

But beyond that, you have today for almost all HW some Software (and drivers) to collaborate with the computer. So for a ROLI Seaboard you have a special SW to configure it. For the KORG Raspberry Synths you have a SW for remote control and to deal with presets. For Elektron devices you have the Overbridge stuff to load them with samples. For Behringer Synths you have also mostly software to extend the functionality or access features more easily. The list could go on and on.

Each of these SW doesn‘t run on Linux, so you need a second Windows' PC anyway or you accept losing some at least some comfort and at most some functionality.

I understand that Apple and Microsoft are suckers and their business models are partly intrusive and offensive. But I can not understand the calculation, where you have the advantages and disadvantages of Windows and Linux on each side and how Linux can win.

Trying to make music on Linux is a nice nerdy part-time project to find out, where the border between masochism and self-sabotage is going, but for sure it isn’t well suited for making music in a productive way, because half of the time you need to find workarounds for not supported HW and SW.

And what I don‘t get: If you consider all the effort to learn and tweak and handle Linux - you could strip down Windows with this amount of effort also in a relatively nice and reliable basis for making music.

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audiojunkie wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2026 3:36 pm
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There’s no question that using native software is easier than using a foreign OS’s software. I agree. Apple uses WINE too, for the same reason. I’ll agree with you on this. I’m curious though about your comment about Fedora being a rolling release. Were you using Rawhide? That’s the only rolling distro from Fedora. Everything else is versioned.
Fedora is a Rolling release since it has a new Major version every 6 Months that only have support for 13 months that breaks the last versions of installed COPR 90% of the time so you always have to make sure that all your programs are as new as possible. :)

That is what a Rolling release means and something like Mint or Ubuntu are LTS Long time support so you will encounter less issues there since it will use the same core and codename for many years before a big uppgrade is released.

So every 6 to 13 months you must be prepared for some programs that will not work in the Latest Fedora version until it is updated for the Latest Fedora version.

I am not a newbie to Linux. The first time I used Linux was in 1998 (Red Hat), and after that i used Mint for some time and Linux has become very good compared to the older days ;)
I even have my own scripts that i made to install what i needed from the terminal since i got tired of having to do it manually everytime i tried a new Distro.

The issue I have is that Linux does not support everything that i rely on from windows and i had a lot of what i used on windows installed on Linux without any issues until a new uppgrade came on Fedora.

Fedora Removes everything that it doesn't agree with when you do a system uppgrade from one version to another and yes you can force it to ignore it but that doesn't mean that those programs will work after the uppgrade.

I have heard a lot about NixOS so maybe i will try that later when i don't have anything better to do :)
It's fine if you feel that way. I'm just staying with standard semantics so that there is no misunderstanding when communicating with others. Fedora, by standard semantics uses a biannual versioned release. When staying with standard semantics, an example of a "rolling release" would be Arch or Fedora Rawhide, where new packages and updates roll in constantly.

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release

So, if you want to define Fedora as a rolling release, rather than using standard semantics, that's fine, but to make sure that others are understanding what you are talking about, you'll need to clarify by saying:
Fedora is a Rolling release since it has a new Major version every 6 Months that only have support for 13 months that breaks the last versions of installed COPR 90% of the time so you always have to make sure that all your programs are as new as possible.
Otherwise, people will simply feel that you are wrong.

The standard definition is in regards to a continuous delivery concept, rather than a versioned "point release":
The term "point release" refers to a common method of software versioning in which a major version is followed by a decimal point and a minor version. When a new minor version is released, the number after the decimal point is incremented, e.g. from 7.0 to 7.1, or from 2.4.9 to 2.4.10.[1] The incrementing of the number after the "point" led to this phenomenon being called a "point release".
But it's not something worth arguing or fighting about. As long as I understand what "you" mean when you say rolling release, "Fedora is a Rolling release since it has a new Major version every 6 Months that only have support for 13 months that breaks the last versions of installed COPR 90% of the time so you always have to make sure that all your programs are as new as possible.", then we are good. :)
It's all good my friend :hug:
From my perspective i view Fedora as a Fast food Rolling release :hihi:

It feels like i have barely installed one version before a new one is released and then i need to take care of things and redo a lot of it for the new version.

It is much easier with something like Debian or Ubuntu if I start from the latest version and I build the setup I want that will last for many years before a new release complicate things again :D

If i only relied on pure Linux software things would be a bit different and the issue that Yabridge need a Old wine Version complicate things further than if it did support newer versions of wine and that is where most of my fight against the Linux system is the worst when a new Major Linux distro is released :)

It is however a great OS If you only use it for Gaming, Internet and use Native Linux Programs, Plugins and Daw's. :)

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