Anyone KNOW if the added plugins are full versions or not?

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haydxn wrote:jorgen and jon are great names and great guys. i think however that they're better off making their own money the way they are. i can't see the point in them being bundled with Tracktion at all...
Disagree, at least in concretefx's case. By bundling some freeware, or possibly older commercial plugs (like ethereal perhaps?) Jon would be getting a huge advertisment boost - by getting his name and product distributed on a wide scale.

And for consumers who might not find out about his plugs otherwise, they would get some nicely musical plugins and an idea where to find more ;)
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oh actually yeah i forgot about the freebies. for sure, the free ones should be bundled for the name link, but i believe jon would be better off getting the money for his pay synths directly. but yeah, getting the free ones involved would be an excellent idea.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion Haydxn. Thats what makes free speach important :)

My Grand-mother said if you fill a barrel to 3/4 with crabs they will all climb over each other and pull down any trying to escape. If they all worked together they could form a chain and all escape.

If Jorgen made a version of EXT that only worked in T2 it would be benificial to both because T2 would be able to compete with products like Live and Project 5 but still have the flexiblity to keep to Jules's vision. There have been many products which have tried to be all things to everyone and failed. You only have to open a traditional sequencer to see that. EnergyXT isnt Trackton's competitor, its something diffrent which is why they complement each other so well.

ConcreteFX makes some pretty amazing software. Software that alot of people not familiar with these forums wouldnt come across. Kubik for instance would be perfect for Trackton. It wont be long before ConcreteFX get an offer they cant refuse!

The unique way Tracktion is constructed makes using plugins very intuitive. Plug-ins almost become part of the program instead of being bolted on. Co operation is always better. Thats why humans have done so well...So far :)
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There's no cross-platform ConcreteFX plugs, and EnergyXT also only runs on pc. Mackie seem to be going for a cross platform approach with everything, so I don't think it's going to happen.
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Jules has brought out JUCE which could help I suppose :wink:
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lowkey wrote:Jules has brought out JUCE which could help I suppose :wink:
yeah but using juce would probably mean almost a complete rewrite.
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I have no idea how much work it would take but Im sure it would take less work than having to learn to program plug ins for Macs from scratch.

This is only conjecture because I have no idea whats involved but plug in developers who at present only develop for one platform have a pretty good window of opertunity. Even if their plug-ins come out after the launch.

Benifits to Jules: More plugins for Trackton that only work on Trackton. So more sales. More sales means a happy Jules. Keeping Jules happy is far nicer than kidnaping him and forcing him to code for food and water...Well so Im told :)

Benifits for developers: More publicity for their work and more revenue. Jules also sells JUCE so probably they could come to an agreement about using JUCE. The developer gets an avenue of sales she/he wouldnt have normally and they would only have to write the code for their stuff once. JUCE will able to compile to VST,DX,AU and Pro Tools.

Benifits Trackton users: More plugins and better value for money. We also might get to use plugins which dont normally exist on our platform.

Everyone is a winner :)

But...

This is just the wine speaking so please dont flame me...Im allowed to talk crap just like everyone else...Hi Ron :D
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Well, JUCE is a C++ library, and Jon ConcreteFX writes his plugins in Delphi, which is only available for windows, not for mac. So he'd have to rewrite the plugs in C++, and redesign the guis to use Jules vector graphics library. I don't really see that happening, as he'd be basically starting from scratch.
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well, there could be some different synths/effects for mac, since they have quite a few exclusive developers. Not really a big deal I don't think.
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Like Floyd, I don't think having some plug ins Window only or Mac only would be such a big deal. Peoples know what they're doing when they're choosing a platform.

One thing I am wondering thought is who's gonna support this new wave of plug ins? Mackie? The actual developer? I'm probably gonna love having a dedicated drum sampler like RMIV, but where do I turn for support and bug fixes/updates?

I just hope not to get into a situation where Linplug would say "hey, you bought this from Mackie, let Mackie handle your problems" while Mackie would say "This is a Linplug issue, we can't do anything about it". That would make the included plug ins a very little value indeed.
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Im eating my words....and loving it!

Full version of RMIV! :shock:
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Ezy Ryder wrote:Like Floyd, I don't think having some plug ins Window only or Mac only would be such a big deal. Peoples know what they're doing when they're choosing a platform.

One thing I am wondering thought is who's gonna support this new wave of plug ins? Mackie? The actual developer? I'm probably gonna love having a dedicated drum sampler like RMIV, but where do I turn for support and bug fixes/updates?

I just hope not to get into a situation where Linplug would say "hey, you bought this from Mackie, let Mackie handle your problems" while Mackie would say "This is a Linplug issue, we can't do anything about it". That would make the included plug ins a very little value indeed.
I doubt that. On the Linplug site they offer support for CM303, for example, which is "sold" with Computer Music magazine and is an exclusive to their readers.

Peter is a cool guy, and he is always happy to help Linplug users right here at KVR.
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