Begging for improved timestretch

[Lunch Money]

You said in one line what I've been thinking the whole time.

Damn, when will I learn to be more concise?

[pHz]

thinking we'd get everything in a single shot is unrealistic...

surely you dont talk of the holy grail of marketing ploys ???

slainte rob

[ModuLR]

actually the mackie list is a lot longer (or so I heard)... they are going to slowly provide the feature list for t2 over the next eight years! Figuring at that point, everyone's needs will be addressed in a single update.

[jens]

thinking we'd get everything in a single shot is unrealistic...

what everything?

Who wanted 64bit processing?

Who wanted to be able to import Mackie hdr files?

[braj]

Timestretch/beatslicing are getting to be pretty basic, standard features.

[ModuLR]

thinking we'd get everything in a single shot is unrealistic...

what everything?

Who wanted 64bit processing?

Who wanted to be able to import Mackie hdr files?

The folks at Mackie obviously wanted it... and considering they front the money for marketing tracktion, it's distribution, and what not... I would think it's only realitic to expect their needs to be addressed as well.

What's the point in pushing a product that doesn't even support the hardware you sell? Seems pretty obvious to me..

That being said, I feel rather confident that it will be addressed in an update down the line.


and just as a test... name a single "new" sequencer with timestretch... (jeopardy music).

let's see...

eXT? no.
Podium? nope.
Tracktion? uh.. nope!
Delta-XP (what's that?? ... nope)
Music Studio Independence... I dun't think so...
Krystal? nope... nah.. and no.


Hmmm... Live? well, it's a bit older than all of those.. and hmm, timestretch was the premise of the software from the start.

everything else has been around for ages.. so yes, timestretch is pretty standard for software which has been in development over a decade.

[jens]

and just as a test... name a single "new" sequencer with timestretch... (jeopardy music).

let's see...

eXT? no.
Podium? nope.
Tracktion? uh.. nope!
Delta-XP (what's that?? ... nope)
Music Studio Independence... I dun't think so...

well - eXT offers at least acceptable beat-slicing ( I take it over T's stretching algo any day)


and b.t.w.: I wouldn't call T exactly 'new' (or what does the '2' stand for )

[braj]

everything else has been around for ages.. so yes, timestretch is pretty standard for software which has been in development over a decade.

Who cares if the've been around for a decade? We're talking about this decade, not last.

Anyway, we'll live.

[ModuLR]

well - eXT offers at least acceptable beat-slicing ( I take it over T's stretching algo any day)

but by the same token, I can't just drop audio effects on single audio clips, nor slice and dice audio inluding slips and looping right on the timeline in eXT. Also, it's not that hard to just chop up your audio with '/' and then select all the clips, and copy/paste it right into the sampler (but in all honesty I use short circuit or phatmatik for that which I prefer over eXT's sampler).

and b.t.w.: I wouldn't call T exactly 'new' (or what does the '2' stand for )

and I would still consider tracktion pretty much a newcomer... it falls on the timeline much closer to eXT and Podium... As opposed to SX3 (which really should be Cubase v8), or Sonar3 (which should be CakeWalk Pro Audio v14), or Logic v7, or Samplitude v8, or Fruity Loops v5, or Orion v5. All of these programs have histories which extend well beyond Tracktion.

So relatively speaking it's rather new (probably just a hair over 2 years)...

[jens]

Jens-- I thought you abandoned Tracktion in favour of your new saviour, eXT?

yeah but I still have dozens of unfinished tracks and I had hoped T2 would inspire me to maybe finish a few of them...

If I'm guessing what you're getting at, though, point taken-- it'd be better to NOT use another app. No disagreement here.

Peeps, remember that my name is on page 1 of the 'begging' folks. (or was it page 2? In any case, I want it as much as the next person!)

Greg

My point is that T's object-orientated audio-editing is by far its strongest point - it's almost perfect but with that shitty algo it's also faaaaaar from being perfect (if you know what I mean with that contradiction ) - using a beat-slicer means working around what makes Tracktion good.

[ModuLR]

Who cares if the've been around for a decade? We're talking about this decade, not last.

Anyway, we'll live.

The point is that none of the newer sequencers have a timestretch! Consider this... if you don't license a algo from someone like prosoniq, or the ZPlane Elastique, etc ... then it takes a shitload of time to code a high quality timestretch. You don't just whip out a nice timewstretch with your eyes closed.

I just think at times, people around here are being totally unrealistic..

[IIRs]

Heres a thought: why don't you all learn to program beats so you don't have to stretch other peoples to fit?

[jens]

well - eXT offers at least acceptable beat-slicing ( I take it over T's stretching algo any day)

but by the same token, I can't just drop audio effects on single audio clips, nor slice and dice audio inluding slips and looping right on the timeline in eXT.

true, but instead you can apply panning, filter, modulation, envelope, delay, etc to every single slice and you can even reverse each slice (non-destructively)

and b.t.w.: I wouldn't call T exactly 'new' (or what does the '2' stand for )

and I would still consider tracktion pretty much a newcomer... it falls on the timeline much closer to eXT and Podium... As opposed to SX3 (which really should be Cubase v8), or Sonar3 (which should be CakeWalk Pro Audio v14), or Logic v7, or Samplitude v8, or Fruity Loops v5, or Orion v5. All of these programs have histories which extend well beyond Tracktion.

So relatively speaking it's rather new (probably just a hair over 2 years)...

I'd rather compare it with FL or Orion

(T exists more than twice as long as eXT's sequencer b.t.w.)

[Lunch Money]

The point of comparing the age of the products was simply to demonstrate that with 10 years of refinement, they've had TIME to add something like beatslice / timestretch.

Tracktion 1 is far more capable than any of those sequencers were at version 1.

Now, I know it's like comparing apples and oranges because the technology was different, but hopefully you can see that it takes a product some time to get such a huge (and some would say 'bloated', though to me beatslicing and timestretch are features I would gladly accept bloat for) set of functions.

FL has been around for ages, and while Orion might be a decent comparison (still, it's also been out longer), it's also a different beast lacking many of T's features.

Greg

[braj]

using a beat-slicer means working around what makes Tracktion good.

Exactly!