Begging for improved timestretch

[Neil G]

Heres a thought: why don't you all learn to program beats so you don't have to stretch other peoples to fit?

thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. honestly.

time stretching is used for al ot more than just stretching pre made drum loops to fit your song.

[jens]

Heres a thought: why don't you all learn to program beats so you don't have to stretch other peoples to fit?

here's a thought:

I am rather good a programming beats (had once drumming-lessons for about one and a half years)
but if I want a sample of a real drum-loop I want a sample of a real drum-loop and not an artificial programmed beat (and vice versa of course)

[clueless]

What's the point in pushing a product that doesn't even support the hardware you sell? Seems pretty obvious to me..

cos we all have Mackie HDR's...right?

all this "it's no big deal, just stretch in another app. blah blah..."

bollocks! it's a f**king big deal!

"what happens to the audio clips in this 32 track project if I want to change the tempo? oops..."

for f**k's sake! it's been the most conspicuously requested feature apart from 'improved MIDI' virtually from day 1! I don;t want to use Live! I don't even understand what the f**k you're supposed to do with it! I mean..."huh?!" What are the 2 screens for? I'm sure there's a really great reason, but after 15 minutes I really couldn't be arsed finding out, pretty though they both are.

I won't be upgrading until a high-quality timestretch/pitch-shift is integrated. I think Tracktion is "the best thing since sliced bread", but for what I do - other than tracking stuff in - I really can't use it that much, and I'm very disappointed.

[PaulSC]

[I think Tracktion is "the best thing since sliced bread", but for what I do - other than tracking stuff in - I really can't use it that much, and I'm very disappointed.

Well, there you go! No time to program a good beat slicer for the 2.0 release, Jules was too busy programming the bread slicer.

[IIRs]

time stretching is used for al ot more than just stretching pre made drum loops to fit your song.

Yeah, you can stretch pre-made bass loops, or pre-made vocals as well.

How many classic records were made before anyone had even heard of time-stretch? When delay effects were created by stretching tape between two decks?

Are you really all incapable of making music without the ability to make a bit of audio a bit longer or shorter than it should be?

[jens]

couldn't say it better myself

(in reply to Clueless)

[clueless]

Heres a thought: why don't you all learn to program beats so you don't have to stretch other peoples to fit?

here's a thought - why don't I just buy a drum kit and a few mics and soundproof what is essentially a shed, try and make it sound like a top live room, and then learn to play the drums really well, just so I can tweak the tempo of, for example, drum tracks played by my old drummer, specifically for songs I'd written.

Repeat as necessary for bass, percussion, trumpet, keys, vocals.

Now decide it's the wrong tempo/key again. then remix.

[IIRs]

I am rather good a programming beats (had once drumming-lessons for about one and a half years)
but if I want a sample of a real drum-loop I want a sample of a real drum-loop and not an artificial programmed beat (and vice versa of course)

Why not record your own drum loops then? Wouldn't your music feel more special and personal? Is it not worth the effort?

[GaryG]

The folks at Mackie obviously wanted it... and considering they front the money for marketing tracktion, it's distribution, and what not... I would think it's only realitic to expect their needs to be addressed as well.

I feel kind of bad about this because it seems nearly two years down the line I'm still bashing Jules' DSP skills, but...

Isn't it strange that Mackie, a pro-audio company with a reputation for pretty decent sounding gear wouldn't want, nay, insist that Tracktion sounded as good as it could? Import your files from a Mackie hard disk recorder then ruin them with Ts timestretch...

Sheesh, every other aspect of T I love, unconditionally! I've never got as much music created as I have with T because of it's no nonsense approach to workflow. So it's ironic that to achieve decent results that workflow gets badly derailed by the process of timestretching externally.

oh, whatever... I'm not swapping to any other host that's for sure (eXT? gimme a break... )

.g

[clueless]

time stretching is used for al ot more than just stretching pre made drum loops to fit your song.

Yeah, you can stretch pre-made bass loops, or pre-made vocals as well.

How many classic records were made before anyone had even heard of time-stretch? When delay effects were created by stretching tape between two decks?

Are you really all incapable of making music without the ability to make a bit of audio a bit longer or shorter than it should be?

f**k it then!

throw away your laptop!

anyone want to buy my 1975 Brenell Mini 8?!

(2 reels of 1" Ampex 456 included)

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[Moritz Morpheus MkIII]

..sorry that I sneak in with my silly giggle icon, but tracktion threads are getting one of my favourites!

[IIRs]

hears a thought - why don't I just buy a drum kit and a few mics and soundproof what is essentially a shed, try and make it sound like a top live room, and then learn to play the drums really well, just so I can tweak the tempo of, for example, drum tracks played by my old drummer, specifically for songs I'd written.

Repeat as necessary for bass, percussion, trumpet, keys, vocals.

Now decide it's the wrong tempo/key again. then remix.

Well, compared to that, how inconvenient is it really to use another app? Why don't we focus on the amazing things that are possible with our DAW's?

[jens]

How many classic records were made before anyone had even heard of time-stretch? When delay effects were created by stretching tape between two decks?

how I hate this riduculous argument - here is an app that should be enough for your needs (after all it's more than the Beatles had when they recorded Sgt. Pepper, isn't it)



You can download it from here:

http://hem1.passagen.se/xlnt/frs/doc.htm

And do you have a car? Why not a horse instead?

[braj]

Timestretch and beat-slicing give you added flexibility. It's like a tool kit without a hammer, sure you may not always need a hammer, but it sure does a great job when you need it.

I like to create subtle time shifts in my music after I've recorded guitar parts etc. Having a good timestretch allows you to go alter stuff as you like. Sure you could use Audition, but like clueless said, on 32 tracks? especially if you want to just experiment with the mix. I was really hoping T2 would be able to do this. It's something Live can do really well.

[jens]

I am rather good a programming beats (had once drumming-lessons for about one and a half years)
but if I want a sample of a real drum-loop I want a sample of a real drum-loop and not an artificial programmed beat (and vice versa of course)

Why not record your own drum loops then? Wouldn't your music feel more special and personal? Is it not worth the effort?

dude, your way of arguing is too hilarious and silly to deserve a serious reply...

(where's the ignore button again?)