Begging for improved timestretch

[clueless]

then yes, you sound f**king SELFISH!

So I just pay for something out of altruism and sympathy for Jules' family?

come off it

of course it's f**king selfish! that's the nature of the f**king transaction! I'm not going to pay for something I don't want, am I?

[jens]

ModuLR sorry, but seriously I find your position in this thread highly annoying - how many have over and over complained about time-stretching and have begged for a new algo - I spent a lot of time browsing the web in search of a good algo and came up with the Z-Plane algo

THE SAME f**king ALGO WHICH IS INCLUDED IN FL NOW

and what do we have instead 64bit and Mackie hdr import - who wants this? Should I start a poll?

How can you call us sellfish after two years of begging?

[jens]

ugh! man.. I'm annoyed now. Why? because tho I'm not some code genius, I know that this kinda shit is not f**king easy. It's not easy to write some software that makes so many people happy.

So why the f**k didn't they buy a damned f**king algo then for fux sake godammit?

[IIRs]

and what do we have instead 64bit and Mackie hdr import - who wants this? Should I start a poll?

How can you call us sellfish after two years of begging?

Why would Jules want to include your suggestions when you repeatedly make it clear that you now use EXT? (which is obviously far superior )

It seems to me that Jules and Mackie are targeting those areas that will make T a truly pro app.. thats just sound business sense as far as I'm concerned.

get over it.

[jens]

o, eXT isn't superior but Jorgen listens to his users - that makes all the difference

Anyway: I would have updated for sure but now I won't do it... - simple

[jens]

also: you don't need to be a genius to predict that the bad time-stretching algo will be a major critic-point in most (if not all) of the surely upcoming magaziner-reviews - this will most probably lead a lot of the potential customers who read those reviews to choose alternatives instead...

oh well - we'll see if I am right...

[rockstar_not]

Beno,

You have got to be kidding, right?

I mean, this was on the feature list for T1 in bright lights.

I guess I was a fool for buying it, now that you are jacking up the price for a bunch of stuff I will never, ever use.

You said you were not going to forget about the 1-track-at-a-time hacks like us - you said you were one of us.

For those of you who keep saying "Program your own beats":

Programming beats for acoustic kits doesn't get it unless you spend all your spare time faking like it's a live drummer - even then results are marginal.

Loops are the way of a big part of the recording world. T1's advertisement of it's ability to handle it suckered me in, only to be slapped with the fact that it was more of an 'effect' as some have referred to it.

This has to be the most disappointing thread that I've read on RMS, ever. I think the 10 pages of replies show that it rings true with many others.

Couldn't you have paid Jules to forget the fancy customizable color schemes, re-sizable interface, control surface integration, broadcast .wav, (insert other T2 feature here) and spent some time on something that was supposedly already in T1?

For those of you that think this is soon to be integrated - are you serious? What gives you that hope? Here was the big chance to integrate at least one of the top 5 requests.

-Scott

[ModuLR]

ModuLR sorry, but seriously I find your position in this thread highly annoying - how many have over and over complained about time-stretching and have begged for a new algo - I spent a lot of time browsing the web in search of a good algo and came up with the Z-Plane algo

THE SAME f**king ALGO WHICH IS INCLUDED IN FL NOW

and what do we have instead 64bit and Mackie hdr import - who wants this? Should I start a poll?

How can you call us sellfish after two years of begging?

and how many times did you hear people begging over and over for automation clips because moving them manually or via copy paste is a pain in the ass? The point is that... you aren't going to get all of your desires fulfilled from the jump.

and acting as if mackie's say shouldn't be a factor is living in ignorance... so let's just stop with that. Mackie distributes Tracktion. Whether you like it or not, they are going to have a roll in it's features. So what's the point in acting surprised when you see mackie support in Tracktion. Sure you didn't request hdr support, but they did. Only makes sense to see tracktion marketed toward their customers as well.

As far as the timestretch goes... well honestly, when you look at something like JUCE. You can see all the detailed work put into creating a foundation from which a something like tracktion can grow endlessly. I s'pose it gives me a certain amount of faith. So I simply don't worry about this trivial bullshit.. cos I'm patient enought to wait for it to be implemented.

[jens]

agreed, automation clips are pretty important as well...
- but 64bit - who needs that?

and the scalable interface - that's a nice gimmick...

[clueless]

ModuLR sorry, but seriously I find your position in this thread highly annoying - how many have over and over complained about time-stretching and have begged for a new algo - I spent a lot of time browsing the web in search of a good algo and came up with the Z-Plane algo

THE SAME f**king ALGO WHICH IS INCLUDED IN FL NOW

and what do we have instead 64bit and Mackie hdr import - who wants this? Should I start a poll?

How can you call us sellfish after two years of begging?

and how many times did you hear people begging over and over for automation clips because moving them manually or via copy paste is a pain in the ass? The point is that... you aren't going to get all of your desires fulfilled from the jump.

and acting as if mackie's say shouldn't be a factor is living in ignorance... so let's just stop with that. Mackie distributes Tracktion. Whether you like it or not, they are going to have a roll in it's features. So what's the point in acting surprised when you see mackie support in Tracktion. Sure you didn't request hdr support, but they did. Only makes sense to see tracktion marketed toward their customers as well.

As far as the timestretch goes... well honestly, when you look at something like JUCE. You can see all the detailed work put into creating a foundation from which a something like tracktion can grow endlessly. I s'pose it gives me a certain amount of faith. So I simply don't worry about this trivial bullshit.. cos I'm patient enought to wait for it to be implemented.

the point is, Mod, Mackie may have a stake in T2, but we are its consumers.

tail wagging the dog - completely contrary to T's raison d'etre

[ModuLR]

For those of you that think this is soon to be integrated - are you serious? What gives you that hope? Here was the big chance to integrate at least one of the top 5 requests.

-Scott

I recall the most requested feature for T2 was an improved piano-roll and midi handling. It was so important at the time, that it's probably the ONLY feature that Jules made very clear that he was actually working on prior to everything else. So, one of the big top-5 requests was addressed.

[TheWall]

and acting as if mackie's say shouldn't be a factor is living in ignorance... so let's just stop with that. Mackie distributes Tracktion. Whether you like it or not, they are going to have a roll in it's features. So what's the point in acting surprised when you see mackie support in Tracktion. Sure you didn't request hdr support, but they did. Only makes sense to see tracktion marketed toward their customers as well.

That's exactly what I thought, but the difference is that I do think it's fair to criticize the way Mackie runs T2, even though I'm sure they won't give it a damn.

If I believed it was Jule's call, I'd have accepted it.

[pHz]

(T exists more than twice as long as eXT's sequencer b.t.w.)

never used massiva then jens ???

slainte rob

[glurgle]

*ssss* BURN! etc. etc.

Yes time stretch would be nice, no we aren't getting it in 2.0

Yes it's possible it will be improved, no we don't know if it'll ever come.

Why are you all still going on and on then?

Don't like it? boo-f**king-hoo

[ModuLR]

I understand where ya'll are coming from... I got a bit caught up in this because everything around here turns into "the sky is falling..." You can point to mackie and criticize away if you feel like you are not being heard... but the fact remains many requested features have been addressed and many have not. If it wasn't one thing, then it would be something else. You all know this forum, and you know this is the truth! When it comes to planning a project and projecting completion dates and what not... sometimes things you want simply don't fit in the time table, and I think it's stuff like this many people forget about. People just start reacting before even taking into consideration other factors. They always assume "just do blah and it's done..." and the reality of it is that it's usually just not that simple (especially when other parties are involved). It comes with the territory.