Begging for improved timestretch

[clueless]

*ssss* BURN! etc. etc.

Yes time stretch would be nice, no we aren't getting it in 2.0

Yes it's possible it will be improved, no we don't know if it'll ever come.

Why are you all still going on and on then?

Don't like it? boo-f**king-hoo

well, we've been kept in the dark about it, despite having 'kept the faith' for A Long Time. it's been handled in a shitty way, by Mackie, I would suspect.

"boo-f**king-hoo"? thankyou for your intelligent comment.

boo-f**king-no-sale

[valley]

oh lordy me...

Is this so very hard?

Some people are pissed off and feel that they shouldn't update to a release that offers them no gain. Well here's a clue: don't. You're not being forced to. If you don't like it, take your mobney elsewhere. That's how the market works.

Now it might be that irrespective of a number of T1 users walking away, Mackie sell shits loads of T2s to HDR users and video scoring people, and integrated hardware manufacturers. If they do, then you just have to face it: you don't matter, and they know what they are doing.

On the other hand if T2 sales are totally flat, then they are going ot have react pretty quickly to keep things alive, so perhaps they'll be forced to implement some of the things that people seem so unhappy about.

Here's my question though: what is the point in ranting over ten pages about it? There's nothing likely to change this late in the day, so move on with your lives. Try the demo. Maybe you'll like it enough to wait a little longer, or maybe you'll decide to move on. Either way, arguing the toss over whether 64bit, HDR support, plugins, video support, or loop recording is more/less/indifferently more important than {you pet peeve here] is not really going to prove anything, or change it.

[clueless]

I understand where ya'll are coming from... I got a bit caught up in this because everything around here turns into "the sky is falling..." You can point to mackie and criticize away if you feel like you are not being heard... but the fact remains many requested features have been addressed and many have not. If it wasn't one thing, then it would be something else. You all know this forum, and you know this is the truth! When it comes to planning a project and projecting completion dates and what not... sometimes things you want simply don't fit in the time table, and I think it's stuff like this many people forget about. People just start reacting before even taking into consideration other factors. They always assume "just do blah and it's done..." and the reality of it is that it's usually just not that simple (especially when other parties are involved). It comes with the territory.

we haven't assumed 'just do blah'

i just think we've been misled about something we've been asking for since The Good Old Days. And only now..."oh! didn't we mention it? we didn't do it - sorry guys"

That kind of faux disingenuity is a shitty way to treat your clients. Just asking for communication and honesty.

[ModuLR]

what amazes me is how AD80 stays completely out of these threads unless the word "mac" is involved... I think I'll follow suit.

[valley]

what amazes me is how AD80 stays completely out of these threads unless the word "mac" is involved...

Y'know....

now you say that...

Probably smart though.

[AD80]

Whoa this thread is off the hook. I gotta admit I kinda agree with both sides of the fense. I agree with both ModuLR's point of view, and Clueless's. Its not like Clueless is some newbie who just showed up and demanded a better time stretch .

Personally, a better time stretch would be great. Tracktion needs it very badly. And I'm dissapointed its not there.
BUT what are we gonna do? Obviously they knew it would upset some users, its been a request for a LOOONG time.
So the way I see it, maybe they didnt want to licence a time stretch because they're planning to give Tracktion its own way of handling time stretch thats even better than an improved algo (acidish) . Thats always a possibility too. Then it wouldnt make sense for them to license a algo right now.
I think people are getting freaked out becuase the time between updates has slowed down SOOO much. If you dont get the features you need now it'll probably be a while. Hopefully this will be the longest we ever have to wait between new features.

Anyways, I do think folder tracks and/or lockable track sizes and ghost clips are much more important. But thats just MHO. I know its the reverse for others. I'm gettin T2 no matter what tho thats for sure . It already has more than enough improvements that I want. TRY AND STOP ME!!!

[glurgle]

*ssss* BURN! etc. etc.

Yes time stretch would be nice, no we aren't getting it in 2.0

Yes it's possible it will be improved, no we don't know if it'll ever come.

Why are you all still going on and on then?

Don't like it? boo-f**king-hoo

well, we've been kept in the dark about it, despite having 'kept the faith' for A Long Time. it's been handled in a shitty way, by Mackie, I would suspect.

"boo-f**king-hoo"? thankyou for your intelligent comment.

boo-f**king-no-sale

there, that wasn't so hard to figure out now was it? If only you'd kindly take your drama elsewhere... but that would be asking to much I suppose.

[ModuLR]

it's like magic... I wrote the word "mac" and AD80 appeared out of a hat!

heheheh

i just think we've been misled about something we've been asking for since The Good Old Days. And only now..."oh! didn't we mention it? we didn't do it - sorry guys"

That kind of faux disingenuity is a shitty way to treat your clients. Just asking for communication and honesty.

Misled by who? maybe the folks here pushing the idea that it's only logical that we'd see it in T2 with nothing to back it up beyond jules saying not much more than he'd look into it? this forum creates alot of it's situations... we needed 1.xx updates to assist in slowing down the fantasies that got out of control around here.

btw, I just want it clear... I want a really good time stretch too! Like many here, I would definately use it.. (hell, I even use the our "special" version)!

[valley]

(hell, I even use the our "special" version)!

You do? What the hell for? Or should I not ask?

I can honestly say, I have never yet found a use for Tracktion's timestretch. I tried to use it creatively for a while, but it muddies stuff up so much it's hard to work with the aftermath.

[braj]

Oh well, when I bought T1 it was an app by a small developer that seemed to care what his userbase thought. He was on these forums quite a bit. That's part of the reason I bought T1.

Now, long time users are saying 'Mackie controls it, love it or leave it' essentially without regard for the spirit the app was designed in. Fine, no timestretch in 2.0, but has it really come to this? Users telling other users to go use something else. That's just sad.

[ModuLR]

(hell, I even use the our "special" version)!

You do? What the hell for? Or should I not ask?

I can honestly say, I have never yet found a use for Tracktion's timestretch. I tried to use it creatively for a while, but it muddies stuff up so much it's hard to work with the aftermath.

well... something you've heard was that assembler track. That had lovely "tracktion" timestretch elements in it. You can get creative with nearly anything me thinks. granted, that's definately not everyone's cup of tea.

[ModuLR]

Oh well, when I bought T1 it was an app by a small developer that seemed to care what his userbase thought. He was on these forums quite a bit. That's part of the reason I bought T1.

Now, long time users are saying 'Mackie controls it, love it or leave it' essentially without regard for the spirit the app was designed in. Fine, no timestretch in 2.0, but has it really come to this? Users telling other users to go use something else. That's just sad.

That spirit still exists, it's just burried under lots of complaints... while before, people feverishly discovered workarounds, and generally brought a much more creative vibe to the tracktion forum...

we are just experiencing yet another wave... this has happened before. It happened when the mac version came out, and all attention focused on the mac while the rack filters were pushed on the back burner. Many PC users got kinda irrate, because suddenly it wasn't all about them. This is really not much different.. except now people don't want to play nice with Mackie's needs, because once again.. it's not about them.

but if out wait it out.. I think you'll see it's not so bad.

don't worry, it's gonna happen again with the AU support issue... but this time you'll be on the other side of the fence Braj.

[valley]

but has it really come to this? Users telling other users to go use something else. That's just sad.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I can say what it has come to for me:

I'm tired of the constant whinging and bitching that passes for discussion on this forum anymore. It used to be kind of friendly, if a little boisterous at times. Recently it has been nothing but negative crap. I wouldn't even mind that but people are so f**king incosistent with it:

For freaking two years I've seen thread after thread about how Tracktion sucks because everything else comes with cool plugins and Tracktion (an $80 app mind) shipped with a few crappy (not my words) freeware plugs. So what happens? Mackie do a box version with some great software, and f**k me if the sky isn't falling on our heads.

For weeks people were whining that Tracktion2 was looking too feature light. Suddenly two -- *two* for crying out loud -- new features appeared on the list, and everyone starts freaking out about how Tracktion is going to be a $400 app or some bullshit. Answer me this? How in any form of common sense can you go from "I think it's gonna be between 150 and 200 bucks" to "it's gonna cost 400 bucks, we're doomed" in two freakin features?

So then the price was announced. Quite apart from the insane crud about how T2 was more expensive than Cubase SL, 'cos if you shop around you can find SL massively discounted, and clearly T2 would never be priced at 15% over. No mention was made of what upgrade path there would be. No-one here, other than probably pretty confused mackie staffers, have any bloody idea what the upgrade is going to cost, or if there will be a download only deal for T1 users, or what the hell they are going to do. Yet, despite this, people are bitchign abotu how they are being priced out of the app. For all we f**king know, Mackie could give the damn app away. No-one has a clue, yet half of the forum seems to have made its mind up already.

So if I seem a little bored of hearing it all, please understand: I am. Very.

Some people are going to be happy, and some aren't. I can't think of a software upgrade where that hasn't been the case. f**king fruity users bitch, and they aint even paying for their upgrades. It does get kind of boring.

Now for what it's worth. I'm looking forward to trying some of those free plugins, looking at the new midi editor, and hoping that some of tracktion's more annoying rough edges have been knocked off. *Then* I'll wait to see what the upgrade price is. *Then* I'll decide what I'm doing.

[valley]

I should point out that it is only a minority that is pissing me, but that minority is really doing the work on me.

(not, I'll be the first to admit, I'm always the most level headed person)

I think I'm going to take a break from this forum. One less hothead might just help a little. fight it out amongst yourselves folks, just clean up the blood when you're done.

[rpc9943]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

RONC