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D-Fusion · Post by **D-Fusion** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:56 am

Hmm. So many replies and no one has mentioned "Mercury-1" That is one of the best synths i heard regarding bass sounds (Deep/phat and not muddered)

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:42 pm

Sakoz wrote:Hey, your bassline sounds better than that Psysex bassline. With which vsti did you do it?

sytrus =)

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:43 pm

D-Fusion wrote:Hmm. So many replies and no one has mentioned "Mercury-1" That is one of the best synths i heard regarding bass sounds (Deep/phat and not muddered)

ok, gotta try that one too. thanks ..

Shamanix · Post by **Shamanix** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:59 pm

Albino2 + EQ + Compressor

Also try Maxx Claster Bazzoid

Kraku · Post by **Kraku** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:20 pm

moonlite wrote:what synth would you recommend for 1/16 psytrance basslines?

the usual subtractives sound way too muddy

I want an really well articulating, crisp sound which can be played at really low notes and still sound full but not muddy.

I'm not sure if you're for real with this question, but here goes:

Did you know that to create a bass sound you don't actually have to use a low-pass filter? Try some synth with nice filter resonance capabilities and use carefully tuned band-pass filter to create your bass sound. Sounds quite different than the low-pass thingy (at least on some specific synths)

scamme · Post by **scamme** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:31 pm

I can tell you for sure that your example is steinbergs VB-1 0n C-1 octave with synth bass (3rd preset), everything else is EQing.

Ackelito · Post by **Ackelito** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:52 pm

The begining of the sample sounds like vb1..

The gms basses i think is Es2... you could probably get close with Vb1 or muon tau pro aswell, but its not the same character..but i think iv heard somewhere that the gms guys are fond of the ES2...

anyway, i really dont understand your problem, it seems you make it bigger than what it is..

10 years of bass tweaking would for sure make you a baseline star, or maybe its just not your area of expertise?

the baseline in the demo you made is not close to sound as a gms bass.. i didnt like it that much too be honest...but thats not relevant here...

I think you are looking too much instead of really dedicating your time to fully explore and tweak the instruments you talked about... cause obviously the dudes you admire and get inspiration from has successeded to make those baselines that you like with those instruments that you have dismissed as "too muddy"

so really... who can help you?

all i can say is stop searching and tweak on...
the pieces of the puzzle will appear when time is ready..

try not to missunderstand every word i just said now.. slow slow chill chill

and about the gate thingy, im pretty sure there is a difference between your method and what i said..

a synths sound character will sometimes change if you close the envelopes too much, a gate will not change that, it will only cut the sound where you want it to be cuted... correct me if im totaly wrong, which i dont believe i am... to make a note shorter does not say that the sound will fall exactly where you want it too fall or even totaly close...

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:17 pm

Kraku wrote:
moonlite wrote:what synth would you recommend for 1/16 psytrance basslines?

the usual subtractives sound way too muddy

I want an really well articulating, crisp sound which can be played at really low notes and still sound full but not muddy.
I'm not sure if you're for real with this question, but here goes:

Did you know that to create a bass sound you don't actually have to use a low-pass filter? Try some synth with nice filter resonance capabilities and use carefully tuned band-pass filter to create your bass sound. Sounds quite different than the low-pass thingy (at least on some specific synths) ;)

true, but tried =/

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:19 pm

Kraku wrote:
moonlite wrote:what synth would you recommend for 1/16 psytrance basslines?

the usual subtractives sound way too muddy

I want an really well articulating, crisp sound which can be played at really low notes and still sound full but not muddy.
I'm not sure if you're for real with this question, but here goes:

Did you know that to create a bass sound you don't actually have to use a low-pass filter? Try some synth with nice filter resonance capabilities and use carefully tuned band-pass filter to create your bass sound. Sounds quite different than the low-pass thingy (at least on some specific synths) ;)

true, but tried =/

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:22 pm

scamme wrote:I can tell you for sure that your example is steinbergs VB-1 0n C-1 octave with synth bass (3rd preset), everything else is EQing.

all the examples or just the first one? theres several songs in that mp3

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:44 pm

Ackelito wrote:The begining of the sample sounds like vb1..

The gms basses i think is Es2... you could probably get close with Vb1 or muon tau pro aswell, but its not the same character..but i think iv heard somewhere that the gms guys are fond of the ES2...

yeah, I'm pretty fond of the es2 myself (used to use at least once per song), but I didn't find it to work for (my) basses at all ..

anyway, i really dont understand your problem, it seems you make it bigger than what it is..

well, everybody thinks that this thread is about a "problem" .. I have not said that there is a problem. All I wanted was to people who KNOW how to make a crisp 1/16 bass to recommend some good synths I could try ;)

BUT .. I still don't sound as good as gms and that IS the problem. but I haven't mentioned about a problem earlier, have I? ;)

10 years of bass tweaking would for sure make you a baseline star, or maybe its just not your area of expertise? :wink:

well, I /would/ consider it my area of expertise .. and people tend to like my basses, but nobody's called me a star yet ;) .. but anyway, you get the point ,)

the baseline in the demo you made is not close to sound as a gms bass.. i didnt like it that much too be honest...but thats not relevant here...

yeah, me neither. It wasn't actually supposed to sound "juast like a gms bass" but something between gms and hujaboy maybe. actually I don't care about what my basses resemle as long as they're good. .. but I didn't like it that much either, and that's why I'm asking for you to recommend new synths. take a listen to my other songs at al101.netikka.fi

I think you are looking too much instead of really dedicating your time to fully explore and tweak the instruments you talked about... cause obviously the dudes you admire and get inspiration from has successeded to make those baselines that you like with those instruments that you have dismissed as "too muddy"

actually, before I found kvr, the only thing I /have/ been concentrated on /is/ the tweaking ;) ..

and actually, I don't think that I've tried a synth yet that some of the dudes I admire use to get a sound that I like .. that's why I'm looking.

so really... who can help you?

all i can say is stop searching and tweak on...
the pieces of the puzzle will appear when time is ready..

yeah, there's been an awful lot of tweaking done, and now it's time for the final piece of the bassline puzzle: the right synth! (follow me?)

try not to missunderstand every word i just said now.. slow slow chill chill :wink: :P

and about the gate thingy, im pretty sure there is a difference between your method and what i said..

yeah well I'd say that It's just two different approaches to acheive the same goal ..

a synths sound character will sometimes change if you close the envelopes too much, a gate will not change that, it will only cut the sound where you want it to be cuted... correct me if im totaly wrong, which i dont believe i am... to make a note shorter does not say that the sound will fall exactly where you want it too fall or even totaly close...

well I always start with release time 0, attack time 0, decay time 0, and sustain @100%

and that's where most of my basses stay, too.

so if you use a gate, that would still cut the sound when there's nothing left to cut.

and if you want to give some release, I find it much more convenient to just adjust the release to be the right length and slope type and not try to cut it at some point with a gate.

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:08 pm

I'm quite unhappy with how this thread goes. everybody seems to think that i'm a newbie and can't get a descent sound out of a great subtractive like v-station. well you're wrong.

all the "tricks" you've suggested have been tried with tears and swet years ago and I still try (and use) them around.

I'm happy that so many of you are satisfied with what you can get from those synths, but that's just not enough for me. I'm really seriously into full-on psy, and there the sounds have to be absolutely perfect. people I know who make psy put years and years into just getting that perfect kick and bass .. and still they're not even half ways

I'm one of those, and I've spent time tweaking these things more than most of you (I think), so please, don't just respon "you have to learn to mix, and it's hard work" because .. I KNOW! I'M DOING IT!!!! .. I go to my real work only like 1-2 days per week so that I have enough time to tweak!! (hardly any money for food, tho, that's why I'm cranky ;)))

as stated several times in this thread, I just asked for you to recommend a good synth!

as also stated before, I accidentally found sytrus, and it made quite a difference. and I know that there's something even better waiting for me. that's why I'm asking around.

what I would have wanted to see is some scivilized discussion of synthesis techniques effecting the spectrum or some cool effects that would help etc and not some IDIOT saying "eq motherf**ker"

'nuff said.

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:14 pm

I'm quite unhappy with how this thread goes. everybody seems to think that i'm a newbie and can't get a descent sound out of a great subtractive like v-station. well you're wrong.

all the "tricks" you've suggested have been tried with tears and swet years ago and I still try (and use) them around.

I'm happy that so many of you are satisfied with what you can get from those synths, but that's just not enough for me. I'm really seriously into full-on psy, and there the sounds have to be absolutely perfect. people I know who make psy put years and years into just getting that perfect kick and bass .. and still they're not even half ways

I'm one of those, and I've spent time tweaking these things more than most of you (I think), so please, don't just respon "you have to learn to mix, and it's hard work" because .. I KNOW! I'M DOING IT!!!! .. I go to my real work only like 1-2 days per week so that I have enough time to tweak!! (hardly any money for food, tho, that's why I'm cranky ;)))

as stated several times in this thread, I just asked for you to recommend a good synth!

as also stated before, I accidentally found sytrus, and it made quite a difference. and I know that there's something even better waiting for me. that's why I'm asking around.

what I would have wanted to see is some scivilized discussion of synthesis techniques effecting the spectrum or some cool effects that would help etc and not some IDIOT just saying "eq motherf**ker"

point is, I'm trying LOTS of software to find ones that fits me, but I hoped that with this thread I wouldn't have to try ALL of the software - because I don't have the time or the engergy to try absolutely everything - but I think this was just a waste of time and nerves. at least half ways. thanks everybody that helped, tho!

p.s. why doesn't the first time I press "submit" ever work?

moonlite · Post by **moonlite** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:31 pm

scamme wrote:I can tell you for sure that your example is steinbergs VB-1 0n C-1 octave with synth bass (3rd preset), everything else is EQing.

are there any good substitutes? I wouldn't want to use vb-1 since everyone is using it .. and maybe with "the other" plugin I could do even more, an even better sound?

scamme · Post by **scamme** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:34 pm

moonlite wrote:
scamme wrote:I can tell you for sure that your example is steinbergs VB-1 0n C-1 octave with synth bass (3rd preset), everything else is EQing.
all the examples or just the first one? theres several songs in that mp3

This one http://unimaa.dhis.org/~moon/psybassexamples.mp3

articulating, crisp 1/16 bass