articulating, crisp 1/16 bass

[SoftJunkie]

another trick to clean up the bass track is to set the bass midi channel to 'mono' so that the notes do not bleed one into the other. instead, successive notes will cancel the previous note.

[moonlite]

I can tell you for sure that your example is steinbergs VB-1 0n C-1 octave with synth bass (3rd preset), everything else is EQing.

all the examples or just the first one? theres several songs in that mp3

This one http://unimaa.dhis.org/~moon/psybassexamples.mp3

but there's like 3 or 4 songs in there .. so did you mean the first song or all of them or what?

[stefancrs]

I can tell you for sure that your example is steinbergs VB-1 0n C-1 octave with synth bass (3rd preset), everything else is EQing.

all the examples or just the first one? theres several songs in that mp3

This one http://unimaa.dhis.org/~moon/psybassexamples.mp3

but there's like 3 or 4 songs in there .. so did you mean the first song or all of them or what?

The first track sounded like a FB-01 to me. But basicly all of them sound like mono (as in mono/stereo) bass-sounds built out of a single sawtooth (no detuning etc), short filter decay and a bass cut to remove the mud.

But that's just me

[scamme]

I can tell you for sure that your example is steinbergs VB-1 0n C-1 octave with synth bass (3rd preset), everything else is EQing.

all the examples or just the first one? theres several songs in that mp3

This one http://unimaa.dhis.org/~moon/psybassexamples.mp3

but there's like 3 or 4 songs in there .. so did you mean the first song or all of them or what?

Yes it is, the first i meant!

[Blue Days]

Not quite sure what you mean by psytrance bass.. I guess it's something of a single osc bass, or resonated single osc.

What I often do is, and I find this to work quite well, I generate a saw wave in wavelab, and make sure the beginning of the saw is the peak, this makes for a tight bass patch.
Then run it through your favorite eq, saturation plugs etc..

And load it up in a sampler, I usually use EXS24, which additionaly has a nice filter aswell. Probably works well for PSY resonating lines.

[serge]

what synth would you recommend for 1/16 psytrance basslines?

the usual subtractives sound way too muddy

I want an really well articulating, crisp sound which can be played at really low notes and still sound full but not muddy.

the full-on type of gms, psysex, hujaboy .. skazi .. ?

hujaboy would be nearest if you know them but I think most of you don't ..

I've tried v-station, es-2, tau and a bunch of others.. all way too muddy

I need some exceptional articulation.

I don't want to resort to vb-1 yet .. ;P

If you can't afford trilogy, for under $25 - I strongly recomend bazzoid: http://www.maxxclaster.com/bazzoid.html

I used to use refx Beast, but now use bazzoid & FL Studio's boobass, exclusively.

serge

[Shamanix]

Try Maxx Claster Bazzoid goddamnit
I love this thing for psytrance basslines, oh just make sure to turn up the gain as it is by default a little quiet. And of course use EQ and Compressor.
Or meybe U should try being less of a perfectionist

Oh and if mud is your problem try sweeping the eq in the 100-800 Hz region and find out where the mud is and just remove it.

[moonlite]

I can tell you for sure that your example is steinbergs VB-1 0n C-1 octave with synth bass (3rd preset), everything else is EQing.

all the examples or just the first one? theres several songs in that mp3

This one http://unimaa.dhis.org/~moon/psybassexamples.mp3

but there's like 3 or 4 songs in there .. so did you mean the first song or all of them or what?

The first track sounded like a FB-01 to me. But basicly all of them sound like mono (as in mono/stereo) bass-sounds built out of a single sawtooth (no detuning etc), short filter decay and a bass cut to remove the mud.

But that's just me :)

what's this fb-01 you talk of?

[stefancrs]

I can tell you for sure that your example is steinbergs VB-1 0n C-1 octave with synth bass (3rd preset), everything else is EQing.

all the examples or just the first one? theres several songs in that mp3

This one http://unimaa.dhis.org/~moon/psybassexamples.mp3

but there's like 3 or 4 songs in there .. so did you mean the first song or all of them or what?

The first track sounded like a FB-01 to me. But basicly all of them sound like mono (as in mono/stereo) bass-sounds built out of a single sawtooth (no detuning etc), short filter decay and a bass cut to remove the mud.

But that's just me

what's this fb-01 you talk of?

Google ffs
http://www.vintagesynth.org/yamaha/fb01.shtml

[moonlite]

Not quite sure what you mean by psytrance bass.. I guess it's something of a single osc bass, or resonated single osc.

What I often do is, and I find this to work quite well, I generate a saw wave in wavelab, and make sure the beginning of the saw is the peak, this makes for a tight bass patch.
Then run it through your favorite eq, saturation plugs etc..

And load it up in a sampler, I usually use EXS24, which additionaly has a nice filter aswell. Probably works well for PSY resonating lines.

:)

this can be done in many synths directly with the "phase" knob .. that way it can be adjusted real-time

exs24 is a good sampler tho .. good gui and versatility

wouldn't it be better tho to have the eq and saturation plugins after the filter?

what saturation plugins do you consider good?

[wrench45us]

you might try Hydra -- it can do a sort of hybrid fm bass very well

much like Tera, but Tera can do a lot more

i think the secret of articultaion in a bass is its upper registers, the lower isn't heard as much as felt, so fm-like basses might work well for this by having those upper Hz arcticulated attacks

between the upper and low, you may want to scoop it out with eq to avoid muddiness


that concept of placement is killer

and this might help
bass clarity
http://www.alexandermagazine.com/record ... 4/bass.htm

[Shamanix]

Yes a good bass needs a lot of EQ, for me a 7 band parametric dosn't cut it Thats why I like Eqium cause it has unlimited bands, anyway thats off topic so ...
What frequencys do you EQ ?
Maybe your just overempesising or underemphesising some frequencies ?
I think a good psytrance bass is more about being good with an EQ and Compressor and not so much about your choice of sounds. A lot of artist use(d) nothing more than a VB-1 (god I hate that one), and manage to make even that stupid pathetic sounding synth sound awsome.

[waveriderarts]

eq motherf**ker

oh f**k you, eq don't cut that shit.

Actually EQing is probably exactly what you need perhaps you don't have the practice mixing to achieve that sound you want, but all the synths you have mentioned have crisp bass sounds with some tweeking and programming.

If you post a sample of your track I would be more than happy to tell you what I THINK you should do to EQ your bass correctly. Without a sample, you are just pissing into the wind asking for advice.

ok, here's a sample of the kind of sound i'm looking for.

so if you think that for example tau can create this kind of bassline, i'd be happy to see you do it take this as a challenge

http://unimaa.dhis.org/~moon/psybassexamples.mp3

actually, I'm gonna shoot with an example of a song I'm working on right now since you want to hear .. (I actually misread what you said and thaugth you asked for examples of the sound I was looking on)

here:
http://unimaa.dhis.org/~moon/moonpsybass.mp3

it's unmixed and unmastered, so it'll get better, but I'd like to find a synth that would work even better ..

The difference between your sound and the psytrance sounds, is the filter envelope amount.

[artie2050]

on www.isratrance.com are very good tutorials for basslines&kicks,espesially one tutorial with an in depth tutor.In fact, taupro is good for short settings 1/32 instead of 1/16 with albino and even the dx 10 and sytrus in fruity loops works good

[artie2050]

By the way, how did you made that other sound in example one? a typical psysound i quess