KVR Audio

braj · Post by **braj** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 8:37 am

ttoz wrote:yes, I have read this entire thread, every post. and i have come to a conclusion. Just get Reason! now on 3 weeks and zero crashes to report. I've yet to see a song go above about 25% on my cpu meter

And recording audio in Reason is a breeze

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 8:42 am

Live never crashes for me unless I use Crunchessor. Other than that though, its fine.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 8:56 am

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braj · Post by **braj** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:05 am

ttoz wrote:
braj wrote:
ttoz wrote:yes, I have read this entire thread, every post. and i have come to a conclusion. Just get Reason! now on 3 weeks and zero crashes to report. I've yet to see a song go above about 25% on my cpu meter
And recording audio in Reason is a breeze
ahhh, someone without a sense of humour. how sad. i'll give you a little hint. see the yellow emoticon with grinning teeth I used in that post..yes, that's the one, just above you...that was the sign that I was being silly.

as far as audio recording, that will be possible sooner than you think. that's all I'm saying

You notice the little

? Geez. What a bonehead.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:33 am

ttoz wrote:
nibbzious wrote:
I'd really like to go back to using Cubase, but I'm too in love with the Live 4 interface even if a couple of instruments seems to max out my Athlon 64 4000+.
In al seriousness, this is a bit of a shock. i would consider an athlon 4000 to be a dream machine. WOuld you mind saying which instruments..are you using fast ddr400 ram in dual channel mode??? what mobo??

don't fall for it ttoz

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:35 am

ttoz wrote: as far as audio recording, that will be possible sooner than you think. that's all I'm saying

Are you talking about that program Hammer??

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 10:40 am

braj wrote:
ttoz wrote:yes, I have read this entire thread, every post. and i have come to a conclusion. Just get Reason! now on 3 weeks and zero crashes to report. I've yet to see a song go above about 25% on my cpu meter
And recording audio in Reason is a breeze

...<take one>...

Audio mastering in Reason 3 is certainly a breeze.

I too thought "uh

" when I read that the Props were including a mastering suite, but although I am a beta tester I'm sure the Props won't mind me saying that MClass is superb.

...and if you wish to include vocals/guitar/audio you simply load it up in NN-XT to include in your master.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 10:45 am

braj wrote:
ttoz wrote:yes, I have read this entire thread, every post. and i have come to a conclusion. Just get Reason! now on 3 weeks and zero crashes to report. I've yet to see a song go above about 25% on my cpu meter
And recording audio in Reason is a breeze

...<take two>...

What about audio recording in Live 4? Well:

1) It's easy to do...but...
2) The level meters seem to be broken, so you need to set them really low in order to avoid clipping, etc.
3) There is no wave editing at all.
4) If you start adding VST effects to your audio the CPU issues come to bear - and you get audio dropouts, etc
5) There is no built in mastering tools.

In other words, NEITHER Live 4 NOR Reason provide a full-on solution to all your needs. In fact, even if you have both ReWired together, there are still gaps (audio editing, notation scoring, arpeggiator, Video, Surround...)

However, both have stuff to offer and are useful tools.

kovacs · Post by **kovacs** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:05 am

The audio editing bit in Live is not too good, I agree. I tend not to work much with editing audio, I'd rather re-record the sloppy bits.

But for mastering I can recommend the Kjaerhus Classic series, and also Voxengo's tools. They are indispensable to me and make Live a virtual powerhouse.

(And PSP VintageWarmer for those who can afford it).

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:07 am

JohnVulich wrote: Like I said earlier in the thread... look at Reason. Two years of development and the best they could come up with is a Mastering Suite (for a progam that doesn't even have audio tracks or audio input LOL!), the Combinator, a few fixes and live playing enhancements...

Don't get me wrong, Reason is a great program but TWO YEARS(!) for a minor 2.5 to 3.0 upgrade?

The Ableton team have, IMO, done an outstanding job of developing the program over the last few years. The addition of MIDI and VSTis was quite a welcome and well implemented surprise.

Firstly, Reason has taken about 18 months going from version 2.5 to version 3.0 not two years. Exageration doesn't help your argument.

Secondly, a number of us who have actually played with Reason 3.0 beta responded to your point stating that Reason 3 is a superb upgrade. On paper it may not look impressive, but trust me when I say it is MUCH more than the sum of its parts

Next, to my main point, which is:

It isn't how frequent upgrades come out, but how good they are...

I don't buy a new keyboard every year. Nor do I buy a new microphone every year, a new house each year, or a new car. However, when I DO buy something new, I expect it to work properly.

So look at Reason, indeed. Version 3.0 was on the launch pad some days ago, but the beta crowd found a few more bugs to squish, so work goes on. Reason 3 will not be released until it works perfectly, or as damn near as the Props can get it based on the feedback they receive. That is entirely fair and proper way for a company to behave when they are planning to launch a major product or upgrade.

By comparisson, Ableton only scratched the surface of the many many bugs reported via their swift public beta. They stuck to their original release schedule in spite of all the problems that were becoming apparent. Hence a further 5 upgrades since version 4.0.1

I would rather Ableton had taken 18 months, like the Props, but brought out a product that works properly.

The result is that there are now a massive 10535 posts in 2636 seperate threads in the "Bugs and Problems" section of the Ableton forum, a hefty proportion of which are post Live 4.

In my view that represents an extraordinary failure.

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Hovmod · Post by **Hovmod** » Thu Feb 03, 2005 12:03 pm

ttoz wrote:
Acolmiztli wrote:
ttoz wrote: as far as audio recording, that will be possible sooner than you think. that's all I'm saying
Are you talking about that program Hammer??
yes.

Uhm... According to the PeterTools site, you can't record, and you can't even be rewired to another app while using Hammer. Have I misunderstood something? How can Hammer add audio recording capabilities to Reason?

ABLETON LIVE 4.1 upgrade , Not happy...