Although, I will say, that I enjoy being here because I know at heart, most people here still want to help. And the option to help others is still there. This is why I stay. And because I absolutely LOVE Tracktion! Thank you Jules and Beno.
Koolkeys
Told you
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- KVRer
- 5 posts since 21 Jan, 2005 from Ontario, Canada
I wonder how many people are just lurking, reading these forums and not participating. I'm guessing that there are quite a few, and I'm also willing to make a second guess. That guess would be that these people are avoiding posting and asking questions because of the prevailing "mood" of these forums.
That mood would be (not always, but quite often) adversarial, confrontational, vulgar, insulting, personal ...
Frankly, if you look back through the past twenty or thirty posts, there really isn't a whole lot of useful information there.
I'd also venture a guess that nearly all of the posts on these forums are made by a select few. I'd say the 80-20 rule likely applies, where 80% of the posts are made by 20% of the forums users. Heck, without even checking, I've venture a guess that 5% of the forum users make 95% of the posts.
Wonder why not more people are participating? I mean, there are lots and lots of Tracktion users. Why aren't they asking questions and posting answers here?
Jeez, guys ... I know everyone (myself included) is a bit antsy waiting for the new release of Tracktion, but that's no excuse.
It seems to me that there are a couple of guidelines everyone could follow that would make this place a bit more productive and a lot more welcoming:
I moderate the forums and watch over them regularly to make sure that we're maintaining that friendly atmosphere. It pays off in the long run - we seldom have problems with any visitor, new or old-timers.
I'm not saying that we have to beat the life out of a set of forums and allow only concise, technical questions and replies. Any community, online or otherwise has "characters" and a wide variety of opinions among its users.
I just don't believe that an atmosphere like this will encourage participation. In the long term, that may hurt the sales and viability of the product we're all so enthusiastic about.
I don't know - I'm new here - maybe when T2 comes out and people get back to making music things will settle down.
</two cents>
That mood would be (not always, but quite often) adversarial, confrontational, vulgar, insulting, personal ...
Frankly, if you look back through the past twenty or thirty posts, there really isn't a whole lot of useful information there.
I'd also venture a guess that nearly all of the posts on these forums are made by a select few. I'd say the 80-20 rule likely applies, where 80% of the posts are made by 20% of the forums users. Heck, without even checking, I've venture a guess that 5% of the forum users make 95% of the posts.
Wonder why not more people are participating? I mean, there are lots and lots of Tracktion users. Why aren't they asking questions and posting answers here?
Jeez, guys ... I know everyone (myself included) is a bit antsy waiting for the new release of Tracktion, but that's no excuse.
It seems to me that there are a couple of guidelines everyone could follow that would make this place a bit more productive and a lot more welcoming:
- Argue the point by arguing the point, not by attacking the person. If you aren't going to win the debate on the merits of your point of view, you aren't going to overcome that by name-calling.
- Be nice ... just like your mother and kindergarten teacher told you. People enjoy hanging around a place with a warm, helpful and inviting atmosphere
- If you post a question, don't think that you are owed an immediate, thoughtful and concise response to that question. This is a peer-driven support forum for the most part, and you shouldn't take for granted that someone will drop what they're doing and research your problem.
- If someone helps you out, say "thank you." It's a productive use of a tiny bit of bandwidth.
- Don't feed the troll(s). A person who craves attention will quickly disappear if nobody fulfils that need.
I moderate the forums and watch over them regularly to make sure that we're maintaining that friendly atmosphere. It pays off in the long run - we seldom have problems with any visitor, new or old-timers.
I'm not saying that we have to beat the life out of a set of forums and allow only concise, technical questions and replies. Any community, online or otherwise has "characters" and a wide variety of opinions among its users.
I just don't believe that an atmosphere like this will encourage participation. In the long term, that may hurt the sales and viability of the product we're all so enthusiastic about.
I don't know - I'm new here - maybe when T2 comes out and people get back to making music things will settle down.
</two cents>
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Agreed, Richard. Nobody wants a friendly atmosphere more than me. 
I think that the prevailing mood on KvR IS a friendly one, though, which is why I continue to see it as my "main" forum. 
Have to admit, I've done my share of feeding the trolls by arguing with them. I hate seeing blatant untruths being posted, so I counter them when I see them, when in hindsight, the forum would have been better served by my keeping my yap shut!
Greg
I think that the prevailing mood on KvR IS a friendly one, though, which is why I continue to see it as my "main" forum. Have to admit, I've done my share of feeding the trolls by arguing with them. I hate seeing blatant untruths being posted, so I counter them when I see them, when in hindsight, the forum would have been better served by my keeping my yap shut!
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 25031 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
oh shut the f**k up already I know that you're lying!Lunch Money wrote:Agreed, Richard. Nobody wants a friendly atmosphere more than me.
sorry, I just couldn't resist the temptation
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- KVRist
- 453 posts since 10 Jul, 2003 from Rotterdam
(strongly agrees)Richard M wrote: It seems to me that there are a couple of guidelines everyone could follow that would make this place a bit more productive and a lot more welcoming:
- Argue the point by arguing the point, not by attacking the person. If you aren't going to win the debate on the merits of your point of view, you aren't going to overcome that by name-calling.
- Be nice ... just like your mother and kindergarten teacher told you. People enjoy hanging around a place with a warm, helpful and inviting atmosphere
- If you post a question, don't think that you are owed an immediate, thoughtful and concise response to that question. This is a peer-driven support forum for the most part, and you shouldn't take for granted that someone will drop what they're doing and research your problem.
- If someone helps you out, say "thank you." It's a productive use of a tiny bit of bandwidth.
- Don't feed the troll(s). A person who craves attention will quickly disappear if nobody fulfils that need.
edit: i also have trouble ignoring certain posts. but i also think it would be better if i did.. an 'ignore' built into the forum would really help.
Last edited by cbit on Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRAF
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
I've not made things better. But like LM, I can't stand when someone states things that just aren't true. This hurts a forum more than anything.
Koolkeys
Koolkeys
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- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
It's really hard not to feed trolls.
If you have requests for Korg VST features or changes, they are listening at https://support.korguser.net/hc/en-us/requests/new
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
jens wrote:oh shut the f**k up already I know that you're lying!Lunch Money wrote:Agreed, Richard. Nobody wants a friendly atmosphere more than me.
sorry, I just couldn't resist the temptation
True, there may be one or two more people who do in fact want it even more than me... myself, I DO enjoy a good debate every now and then, though I'm not for straight-up personal attacks.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6490 posts since 14 Jun, 2004 from Rochester, NY
where have I done whatsoever any of these personal attacks? I merely said, told you guys that it wouldnt come out on GH day and it did.
RonC
RonC
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- KVRAF
- 2009 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from Cornwall, UK
I think that in itself was harmless.rpc9943 wrote:where have I done whatsoever any of these personal attacks? I merely said, told you guys that it wouldnt come out on GH day and it did.
RonC
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- KVRist
- 376 posts since 8 Apr, 2004 from Portland, OR
Good post, Richard M. As a fellow, long-time lurker of KVR and the Tracktion forum I agree. Although I do believe the standard of posts will improve after the release of T2 when there is something interesting to discuss. I hope so, as the forum did make for a much more interesting read a while back. That is, unless you enjoy threads about people poking their finger in the eye of people that were supposed to have made assumptions that were based upon pure speculation 
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- Banned
- 1319 posts since 29 Jul, 2002
clueless wrote:And on today's show, "when a nice forum goes BAD..."
Anyone:"Ron, he think he all that, he ain't all that!"
[audience: "You go girl!"]
Ron: "Hold ma earrings!!"
I'm not a tracktion user
and frankly,at this point I'm afraid to be
but much like the jerry springer show
sometimes ya just gotta tune in for the entertainment
