Guru Rack Question

[brewt]

I'm trying to have my equalization change automatically.

I'm trying a different approach to de-essing, by re-equalizing instead of using a de-esser. Just to see if it makes a better difference.

The plan is that I've built a Rack to control the effect: Starting with DigitalFishPhones' Spitfish (yes, I know, a de-esser) with Listen mode on. This will pass the "sss" sound into a TobyBear's PeakFreak, which will gate a midi message to Jackle&Hydes Controller Remap, which will send a several midi message into LinearPhaseGraphicEq2 to lower the frequencies I want lowered during the "sss". When the nasty old "sss" sound ends, the frequences I want adjusted for during the effect will be reset.

So the question is: I can see the master filter parameter curves in Tracktion for the target frequencies I want to control in LinearPhaseGraphicEq2. How do I determine which Midi Controller Numbers connect to which master parameter curves? None of the pluging analuyzers seem to know.

There is no MidiCC map from the LinearPhaseGraphicEq2 guys.

Or am I doing this the hard way?

-bjc

[TheWall]

If there's no MIDICC mapping or MIDI Learn, that's pretty much it. That's one of the reasons why quite some of us use eXT inside of T1...

[brewt]

I haven't asked my question right:

I can see the Master Filter Parameter of the frequency band on my EQ I want to control in Traction. Moving the Automation Parameter curves in fact moves the slider.

What I want is to have that movement triggered by an event I can have delimited by the de-esser/midigate combo (or some similar controlable automation process), so I don't have to redraw the automation curve by hand for all frequncies for all tracks.

Possible?

[glurgle]

sure it's possible. If you can find out which CCs (if any) map to which parameters on the EQ.

CC automation != VST automation

[brewt]

3rd attempt.

When I look at the available automation curves (master filter parameters) I can see all the Frequencies to control on the EQ. Selecting one of the draws a line horizontally across the track, so I can manually draw how that frequency gets louder or softer.

Because I want to re-arrange lots of frequencies at different places on each track, I would like somthing else besides my crumby hand-drawing skills to tie into that master filter parameter curve controller, so I don't have to draw all those curve manually for each track in each piece.

Possible?

-bjc

[IIRs]

Or am I doing this the hard way?

Sounds like it.

Have you tried my Dynamic EQ?

You are using a pc right?

[TheWall]

sure it's possible. If you can find out which CCs (if any) map to which parameters on the EQ.

CC automation != VST automation

There's a 'if'...

brewt, what you see in Tracktion's parameters list are VST automation parameters. T1 doesn't support the linkage between VST paramters and MIDI automation. So if your plugin doesn't support it, there's nothing you can do. Unless you use other plugs like eXT to wrap those plugs.

*you can give platinumear's EQ a try. It's a nice plug.

[brewt]

ok, just so I've got it:

The VST Master Filter Parameter Automation Curves in Traction have exactly 1 and only 1 method of control: manually drawing a curve. Murmph.

Has this been gassed up in T2? 'Cause now I gotta buy XT.

I've gotten it to 1/2 work in XT - I can get the EQ value to lower, but haven't figured out how to put it back. Any ideas?

And the Dynamic EQ? A work of beauty. I'm just needing something a bit more surgical for this crazy-ass idea.

-bjc

[TheWall]

I've gotten it to 1/2 work in XT - I can get the EQ value to lower, but haven't figured out how to put it back. Any ideas?

I can only think of some very clumsy ways to achieve that(by using some other MIDI plugs to trigger a certain value hence to enable/disable some plugs etc). It may end up much more easier just draw it manually.

* I'm no guru. So hopefully there'll be some real guru help you out here.

[glurgle]

use mdsp's ENV2MIDI instead of peakfreak and you should be sorted

[brewt]

Gettin' close.

Thanks to Gurgle for the Env2Midi replacement suggestion.

What I now have is this in a rack (sorry, no picture yet):

1. Spitfish set to Listen Mode. Audio out to:
2. Env2Midi. Midi channel 102 (its a general blank controller) out to
3. EnergyXT, which has in it
4. LinearPhaseGraphicEq2, set to listen to midi channel 102 redirected to VST controller for 10732hz.
5. Audio Into the Rack also directed into Audio In for EnergyXT (and hence, LinearPhaseGraphicEq2).
6. Audio Out.

This all works (I can see the slider in LinearPhaseGraphicEq2 moving when the "sss" sound happens), EXCEPT the Env2Midi only seems to tranmit a positive value, when what I want is a negative value (I want the slider to go down instead of up).

Inserting Construx operators doesn't reverse the signal the way I want it toe. I can control the range of the signal with Konstrux, but not the direction. Because, it seems, Env2Midi can only transmit a positive value - how do I negative-ify it?

If there were some kind of cc2midinoter-ifier, I could then invert the note, and note2cc-ify it. But I haven't found that set of components yet.

Any more ideas?

-bjc

[ModuLR]

Inserting Construx operators doesn't reverse the signal the way I want it toe. I can control the range of the signal with Konstrux, but not the direction. Because, it seems, Env2Midi can only transmit a positive value - how do I negative-ify it?

So you only need it to make the value negative right? How about using two kontrux comps. A constant set to "-1" and a binary comp set to "multiply". Feed the signal from Env2Midi into one input on the binary comp, and then feed the signal from the constant comp into the other input. Now you should definately have a negative value. Does that help?

[brewt]

I might not be holding my jaw right........

The output of Env2Midi has to be the Midi out to connect in the rack to connect to the midi-in controller for the EnergyXt-enwrapped LinearPhaseGraphicEq2. This gives the desired effect, just the wrong direction.

The Construx inny-outy-connectors for something like the Operator tool are labeled X and Y and Midi, and the operations which seem to be on the Audio (or binary) side, and not the midi side. (is that right?)

Rerouting the MidiOut from Env2Midi to the Binary-In back to the EnergyXt-enwrapped LinearPhaseGraphicEq2 simply stops the signal, and nothing happens. I've actually tried all the combinations of the ole'in-an-out with Konstrux, and can't seem to get it to modify the the output signal of Env2Midi, and I've tried chanining, multiplying, dividing, all the math I understand, too.

Which makes me think I must be doing something wrong, but I sure can't spot it.

Say: what about your cc-rider? will that get me closer?

-bjc

[ModuLR]

ok.. I now realize, we are talking midi here! duh!

so you want to invert the midi-cc's. So instead of 0 -> 127, it goes 127-> 0.

I might have something for you.. give me a minute...

[haydxn]

in energyXT, you can invert the CC direction by reversing the range. open the CCMap for the plugin (in energyXT) and change the 0 to 127 and the 127 to 0. now the range will be inverted.