i luve uads pultec emulation anyways.
i heard rumours about a pultec inspired EQ for creamware is in the makenings, should be nice indeed.
Voxengo HarmoniEQ - Harmonically-Enhanced Equalizer (alpha)
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- KVRian
- 1236 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Karlshamn, Sweden
ok ok.
i luve uads pultec emulation anyways.
i heard rumours about a pultec inspired EQ for creamware is in the makenings, should be nice indeed.
i luve uads pultec emulation anyways.
i heard rumours about a pultec inspired EQ for creamware is in the makenings, should be nice indeed.
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35449 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
So that's 3 different equalisers, now, and a multiplicity of compressors, limiters and dynamics processors.
I mean, I dont use a lot of these things, but where exactly do each of them sit in a given mix/master sequence? Any clues? I mean I would have used CurveEQ for generic track equalisation, but since GlissEQ came out, CEQ actually seems to be aimed at mastering. And Lampthruster seems to hit the same target as Warmifier, but it has equalisation as well. So where do they all fit together?
I mean, I dont use a lot of these things, but where exactly do each of them sit in a given mix/master sequence? Any clues? I mean I would have used CurveEQ for generic track equalisation, but since GlissEQ came out, CEQ actually seems to be aimed at mastering. And Lampthruster seems to hit the same target as Warmifier, but it has equalisation as well. So where do they all fit together?
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRian
- 1219 posts since 12 Aug, 2002
Aleksey,
I've been giving this new version a go on a mix here today. The chap on bass plays a Zon fretless, very aggressive player, a complete spastic really, though a tasteful one. A moderately broad 2.5 db boost at 90hz with "boost" engaged was stunning. This really is quite similar to driving the input to a tube EQ after you have set the filters, you get a very similar "livening up" of the sound. Whatever you have going on here is extremely effective, mate, and it stays nice and smooth.
This experience in hand, I wonder if there possibly should be a variable control of some sort for this effect instead of just an on/off switch.
On an even more in depth level, being able to control the amount of boost per filter would be something to consider...if that is even possible. This would give you the same kind of control for this EQ model as what is now available with GlissEQ...only instead of having a number of filters with a variable dynamic response, you would have this control for the harmonics generation per band. In short, take GlissEQ, "rip" out the dynamic EQing guts...and replace them with this new harmonic model.
Catching the vision here?
I know your intent was a simple EQ, but it makes some innovative sense to want more harmonic drive applied to one filter band where the same amount would be inappropriate for another on the same source. After all, the real power of GlissEQ is precisely this sort of control...and it is most certainly a beautiful thing.
I've been giving this new version a go on a mix here today. The chap on bass plays a Zon fretless, very aggressive player, a complete spastic really, though a tasteful one. A moderately broad 2.5 db boost at 90hz with "boost" engaged was stunning. This really is quite similar to driving the input to a tube EQ after you have set the filters, you get a very similar "livening up" of the sound. Whatever you have going on here is extremely effective, mate, and it stays nice and smooth.
This experience in hand, I wonder if there possibly should be a variable control of some sort for this effect instead of just an on/off switch.
On an even more in depth level, being able to control the amount of boost per filter would be something to consider...if that is even possible. This would give you the same kind of control for this EQ model as what is now available with GlissEQ...only instead of having a number of filters with a variable dynamic response, you would have this control for the harmonics generation per band. In short, take GlissEQ, "rip" out the dynamic EQing guts...and replace them with this new harmonic model.
Catching the vision here?
I know your intent was a simple EQ, but it makes some innovative sense to want more harmonic drive applied to one filter band where the same amount would be inappropriate for another on the same source. After all, the real power of GlissEQ is precisely this sort of control...and it is most certainly a beautiful thing.
To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders - Lao Tzu
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- KVRian
- 1219 posts since 12 Aug, 2002
CurveEQ - for fine clinical work.whyterabbyt wrote:So that's 3 different equalisers, now, and a multiplicity of compressors, limiters and dynamics processors.
I mean, I dont use a lot of these things, but where exactly do each of them sit in a given mix/master sequence? Any clues? I mean I would have used CurveEQ for generic track equalisation, but since GlissEQ came out, CEQ actually seems to be aimed at mastering. And Lampthruster seems to hit the same target as Warmifier, but it has equalisation as well. So where do they all fit together?
GlissEQ - for creative shaping and carving, with the added bonus of dynamic frequency containment if desired/needed.
Lampthruster - for warm, ballsy, in your face gnarling and sweetening...with plenty of lovely, vibrant colour...and such.
To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders - Lao Tzu
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4030 posts since 7 Sep, 2002
whyterabbyt, I think the more the better. From what you posted it looked like you have to buy all. But you do not have to buy all of these effects. Buy the most effective for your work and your taste.
kilroy, I understand your idea about adding some more control over harmonic content, but that does not fit my plans for this plug-in. I want it to stay easy-to-use. 'Boost' mode is for extreme coloring - it even may not be suitable for everything.
kilroy, I understand your idea about adding some more control over harmonic content, but that does not fit my plans for this plug-in. I want it to stay easy-to-use. 'Boost' mode is for extreme coloring - it even may not be suitable for everything.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4030 posts since 7 Sep, 2002
whyterabbyt, here is a possible application of the plug-ins:
track eq: GlissEQ, Lampthruster, HarmoniEQ
track comp: Crunchessor, Voxformer
track warmer (if needed): Lampthruster, Warmifier, Analogflux TapeBus, AFInsert
track phase adjust: PHA-979
track transient booster: Transmodder
track FX: AFChorus, AFDelay, AFImpulse
mastering eq: CurveEQ, GlissEQ, HarmoniEQ
mastering warmer: Warmifier
mastering transient booster: Transmodder
mastering compressor: Soniformer (multi-band), Polysquasher (single band)
mastering limiter: Elephant
general reverb: Pristine Space
track eq: GlissEQ, Lampthruster, HarmoniEQ
track comp: Crunchessor, Voxformer
track warmer (if needed): Lampthruster, Warmifier, Analogflux TapeBus, AFInsert
track phase adjust: PHA-979
track transient booster: Transmodder
track FX: AFChorus, AFDelay, AFImpulse
mastering eq: CurveEQ, GlissEQ, HarmoniEQ
mastering warmer: Warmifier
mastering transient booster: Transmodder
mastering compressor: Soniformer (multi-band), Polysquasher (single band)
mastering limiter: Elephant
general reverb: Pristine Space
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Stupid American Pig Stupid American Pig https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4753 - KVRAF
- 7065 posts since 25 Nov, 2002 from not sure
Any plans for synths Aleksy?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4030 posts since 7 Sep, 2002
SAP, no 'for sure' plans. But I have an experience of making a sampler with decent sample playback quality, so this may (or may not) result in some synth-like product. However, I see that this field is pretty crowded - you have all kinds of synths these days.
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- KVRist
- 350 posts since 7 Sep, 2004 from UK
It would be interesting to hear the quality of filters and oscillators that your coding magic would bring, but we would hear people shouting at you to concentrate on processor apps only, I think ?Aleksey Vaneev wrote:... However, I see that this field is pretty crowded - you have all kinds of synths these days.
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35449 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Aleksey Vaneev quoth whyterabbyt, I think the more the better. From what you posted it looked like you have to buy all. But you do not have to buy all of these effects. Buy the most effective for your work and your taste.
Many thanks for the breakdown... I mostly do quite abstract purely electronic stuff, so its hard for me to assertain how the 'traditional' applications of eq/dynamics fit in in comparison; I have a rough idea of what's suitable for real/sampled drums, for example.... its just trying to work out what would be useful with a much more 'artificial' set of sounds. But very much appreciated, its handy to see them listed like that...
Many thanks for the breakdown... I mostly do quite abstract purely electronic stuff, so its hard for me to assertain how the 'traditional' applications of eq/dynamics fit in in comparison; I have a rough idea of what's suitable for real/sampled drums, for example.... its just trying to work out what would be useful with a much more 'artificial' set of sounds. But very much appreciated, its handy to see them listed like that...
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRist
- 114 posts since 26 Oct, 2004
I liked the "air" top of the EQ, very flattering on the sound, Im in headphone mode so I cant really judge the bottom yet but it sounds tight in my cans.
One thing I noticed when shaping sounds with this EQ is that I almost always hit the output peak roof and the clipping indicator turned red.
To make it more simple in terms of "easy of use" I would like one or more band/freq handles(the grabable circles) to shift colors when the peak clipping is in that range. In that way I can lower/alter only the clipping part of the spectrum. Do I make sense here ?
/ Lex
One thing I noticed when shaping sounds with this EQ is that I almost always hit the output peak roof and the clipping indicator turned red.
To make it more simple in terms of "easy of use" I would like one or more band/freq handles(the grabable circles) to shift colors when the peak clipping is in that range. In that way I can lower/alter only the clipping part of the spectrum. Do I make sense here ?
/ Lex
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4030 posts since 7 Sep, 2002
Forever Sun, I do not plan to enter instrument development area very soon.
Lex, why not just use a mastering limiter? BTW, if you are processing a signal close to 0dB full scale you'll surely get overshoots. I guess this EQ should be used on lower level signals - somewhere around -6 dBFS, followed by a brickwall limiter like Voxengo Elephant (BTW, I'm planning to release a beta soon which features EL-3 mode which is supposed to be as good or better than UAD's PL - that was my goal at least).
Lex, why not just use a mastering limiter? BTW, if you are processing a signal close to 0dB full scale you'll surely get overshoots. I guess this EQ should be used on lower level signals - somewhere around -6 dBFS, followed by a brickwall limiter like Voxengo Elephant (BTW, I'm planning to release a beta soon which features EL-3 mode which is supposed to be as good or better than UAD's PL - that was my goal at least).
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- KVRian
- 1236 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Karlshamn, Sweden
"as good or better than UAD's PL"
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- KVRian
- 903 posts since 14 May, 2003
Aleksey, this is a really nice piece of work--smooth, elegant--opulent may be the best word--a little taste of luxury for those of us working in the ditches.
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- Banned
- 6127 posts since 1 Apr, 2004 from Et in Arcadia Ego
Aleksey, I think that breakdown would be good if it were easly accessable on your site somewhere, as I have had the same dilema whyterabbyt has communicated establishing what plug to apply to where..I think it would be beneficial to prospective buyers or you to have like a pop-up chart on your main list page highlighting wha you've indicated here..