Could someone please explain anti-loop snobbery?

[Hink]

how long is a loop ???

slainte rob

two legnths...

[Kriminal]

do all graphics designers make their own polos and build their own farts from scratch ???

do all painters mix and suspend their own pigmies ???

You got there there, no idea.

[Kriminal]

how long is a loop ???

slainte rob

two legnths...

Two diff spellings too

[Jafo]

But certainly if I used drum loops to back up my playing, my expression on guitar will be the primary focus of attention anyhow...

Ok, there's a grain of truth in this. I mean, if it's good enough for Satch...

[IIRs]

what about those like me...ultimately when people listen to my music they will be listening to my guitar playing.

If I like your guitar playing I will of course respect you for that no matter how you create your beats.

However, the point someone made that they need to use loops because otherwise they can't compete with a 12 year-old, to be quite amazing!

For example, my latest music cafe offering (which no bastard has commented on yet ) was made entirely from scratch: the only loop is one I recorded of my old drummer in our practice room.

There is no f**king way a 12 year old could do this with loops!

[Hink]

how long is a loop ???

slainte rob

two legnths...

Two diff spellings too

oh no problem...let it ride I'll double that quick...that's why my latest song is called "Phreak uv Neighture" notice take each, erm...word's first initial and it spells pun...

[herodotus]

in my world-view, musicianship matters.

You know, I am tempted again and again here at KVR to point out that from a strict, old fashioned point of view ALL SEQUENCED, ELECTRONIC MUSIC THAT IS NOT EXECUTED IN REAL TIME lacks musicianship. And I mean fundamentally. I, personally do not think this. But I think it is something for people to think about when they get all snobbish about programming their own beats.

Please don't get pissed. I make lots of sequenced music, and have nothing but respect for those who have mastered its subtleties. I just think that some historical perspective is in order when people who don't even play instruments look down on others who use tools they deem unworthy.

Good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music.

And the tools used to make it don't matter.

[shamann]

However, the point someone made that they need to use loops because otherwise they can't compete with a 12 year-old, to be quite amazing!

What an odd misreading of what I said. I listened to your song. I can't tell if your beats are made with prefabs or not, and ultimately why should I care? It may matter to you in terms of self-discipline, but why should it matter to me as the listener? Again I'll repeat (since it's all the rage apparently), man, I can really hear your sweat.

[edit: enjoyed the tune by the way.

[Ackelito]

I find premade professional Drumloops to be somewhat a hypocrisy... if the rest of the track isnt up to par...

Who gives a f**king shit anyway?
im happy, you are happy... shit is bound to be good..

[IIRs]

What an odd misreading of what I said.

How so? You implied it would be possible to completely recreate one of your tracks using prefab loops, which implies you have added nothing original of your own.. or doesn't it?

I listened to your song. I can't tell if your beats are made with prefabs or not, and ultimately why should I care?

I care, and thats the only reason I made it!

[edit: enjoyed the tune by the way.

Thankyou! But I knocked it up over the weekend, I don't think it would have been any quicker had I used loops and presets, even if that were possible.
You don't "hear me sweat" either, its too bloody cold in Sheffield atm.

[IIRs]

I can't tell if your beats are made with prefabs or not,

However, I know for sure that you aren't going to hear the same groove on 50 other records that year..

[Hink]

in my world-view, musicianship matters.

You know, I am tempted again and again here at KVR to point out that from a strict, old fashioned point of view ALL SEQUENCED, ELECTRONIC MUSIC THAT IS NOT EXECUTED IN REAL TIME lacks musicianship. And I mean fundamentally. I, personally do not think this. But I think it is something for people to think about when they get all snobbish about programming their own beats.

Please don't get pissed. I make lots of sequenced music, and have nothing but respect for those who have mastered its subtleties. I just think that some historical perspective is in order when people who don't even play instruments look down on others who use tools they deem unworthy.

Good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music is good music.

And the tools used to make it don't matter.

yeah but sometimes someone comes along who doesn't look down people, whether they are instrument playing musicians or not doesn't matter. Afterall when all is said and done how I feel about someones song and how the makes me feel isn't half as imporatant as how it made the artist feel and how they feel about their work. If someone were to use a loop and say they didn't use one, how would that matter too me, it aint my song...

BTW my method is drums, add parts, change the drums to fit the new parts, add more parts and repeat until done. Especially when it comes to my guitar, I'll record a temporary guitar track after I do the bass, synths, organ and drums. Then I will import that back into FL and then redo some drumparts to fit in and fill in to accent my guitar. Then I do vocals still using the tempoary guitar track (but in AA). After the vocals are done the song has heart and soul it's now fun...when it's fun I put down the final guitar part...but in writing I will use loops of that first guitar...naturally it's not in the final mix but one verse, one bridge, one chorus ect is fine for when I'm still composing other parts...

[Hink]

I can't tell if your beats are made with prefabs or not,

However, I know for sure that you aren't going to hear the same groove on 50 other records that year..

it's funny ACDC is on music choice..talk about same groove...

[shamann]

How so? You implied it would be possible to completely recreate one of your tracks using prefab loops, which implies you have added nothing original of your own.. or doesn't it?

No, the point I was making that it didn't matter in the end. If the 12-year-old kid gets the same end result as me, no listener is going to value my music just because I made it from scratch.

Your other points are all valid reasons for why you make music the way you do. But that doesn't make it better in the greater scheme. Better for you, sure, but not a justification of snobbery.

[Mystical_Fantasy]

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