Anyone? I really would like to get this working, but no luck so far.
mixers for Tracktion are here
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- KVRist
- 230 posts since 25 Nov, 2004
Does it mix pre-recorded tracks? If you add it to an edit that you already have, will it work? I can't get it to. I must not be understanding how to set it up, because no matter what I try to do, it just doesn't work as I would expect.
Anyone? I really would like to get this working, but no luck so far.
Anyone? I really would like to get this working, but no luck so far.
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- KVRAF
- 3364 posts since 16 Feb, 2004 from atop a katamari
yeah you could just make a rackfilter preset mixer with vol/pan mixersmixer anyway if you really wanted to. have em all lined up in a row, like. (even put some meter plugs directly above if you fancy)
waste of time tho if i say so.
waste of time tho if i say so.
Kick, punch, it's all in the mind.
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- KVRAF
- 6490 posts since 14 Jun, 2004 from Rochester, NY
I disagree. The vol pan filters do not operate the same way, and are pretty small to do minute tweeks. Thats my opinion and I think these look nice. I dont usually do mixes with tracktion anyways but thats my opinion
RonC
RonC
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- KVRist
- 230 posts since 25 Nov, 2004
I won't try to explain myself, but I like the mixer paradigm as it exists in Cubase. However, I'm really eager to get T to work as my sole host, so that I can use it on a laptop and not need Cubase.haydxn wrote:yeah you could just make a rackfilter preset mixer with vol/pan mixersmixer anyway if you really wanted to. have em all lined up in a row, like. (even put some meter plugs directly above if you fancy)
waste of time tho if i say so.
How might I go about setting up what you explain above? Any insight appreciated. I don't need fancy graphics, I would just like a horizontal row of volume/pan/level meters.
Coincidentally, has anyone managed to get the mixer from TracktionFaction to work? It seems to work in the archive example they give, but I can't seem to rig it up in my own edits (and yes, I saved it as a rack preset from the archive like the ReadMe says).
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- KVRAF
- 3364 posts since 16 Feb, 2004 from atop a katamari
it's not a fabulous way of doing things, but if you want them in a row, it works...
create a new rack filter. set the view to show one rack.
Add a vol/pan filter. add a level meter. cable the audio inputs to the vol/pan audio inputs, and cable the vol/pan outputs to the level meter inputs, and then finally to the rack filter outputs. that's your basic mixer channel. if you fancy, you could add an EQ to it. rearrange it now if you like so that you have the meter above the fader.
now, you need to add the input channels... click NEW INPUT CHANNEL and add a pair for each additional mixer channel (you already have one pair, so add channel 2 L and R, channel 3 L and R, etc..). for speed i named the Ch2L, Ch2R, Ch3L etc...
now, repeat the cabling process for each input pair. cable the specified inputs to the vol/pan, the vol/pan to the meter, and the meter finally to the main rack output (you only need one pair there of course).
now that's the rack filter made. name it something like "Mixer" (i managed to fit 8 channels on the one i made just now, but the terminals did overlap; it helps to cable them up BEFORE you arrange them)
now, drag an instance onto each track you want to have on the mixer. on (for instance) track one, select the rack filter and set the details at the bottom, such that
LEFT INPUT GOES TO: CH1L
RIGHT INPUT GOES TO: CH1R
LEFT OUTPUT COMES FROM: <NONE>
RIGHT OUTPUT COMES FROM: <NONE>
set the rest of the tracks/racks up in a similar way (so that the track input goes to the correct mixer channel, and the output is disconnected).
now, either create a new track for the output (and add another instance of the mixer rack to that) or pick one of those tracks to send the output to the master output. on that track, simply change the <none> values to the appropriate left/right settings. there you go! you should now have a working 'mixer'.
[remember you can stretch the top of the rackfilter window to make the filters look a little taller!]
create a new rack filter. set the view to show one rack.
Add a vol/pan filter. add a level meter. cable the audio inputs to the vol/pan audio inputs, and cable the vol/pan outputs to the level meter inputs, and then finally to the rack filter outputs. that's your basic mixer channel. if you fancy, you could add an EQ to it. rearrange it now if you like so that you have the meter above the fader.
now, you need to add the input channels... click NEW INPUT CHANNEL and add a pair for each additional mixer channel (you already have one pair, so add channel 2 L and R, channel 3 L and R, etc..). for speed i named the Ch2L, Ch2R, Ch3L etc...
now, repeat the cabling process for each input pair. cable the specified inputs to the vol/pan, the vol/pan to the meter, and the meter finally to the main rack output (you only need one pair there of course).
now that's the rack filter made. name it something like "Mixer" (i managed to fit 8 channels on the one i made just now, but the terminals did overlap; it helps to cable them up BEFORE you arrange them)
now, drag an instance onto each track you want to have on the mixer. on (for instance) track one, select the rack filter and set the details at the bottom, such that
LEFT INPUT GOES TO: CH1L
RIGHT INPUT GOES TO: CH1R
LEFT OUTPUT COMES FROM: <NONE>
RIGHT OUTPUT COMES FROM: <NONE>
set the rest of the tracks/racks up in a similar way (so that the track input goes to the correct mixer channel, and the output is disconnected).
now, either create a new track for the output (and add another instance of the mixer rack to that) or pick one of those tracks to send the output to the master output. on that track, simply change the <none> values to the appropriate left/right settings. there you go! you should now have a working 'mixer'.
[remember you can stretch the top of the rackfilter window to make the filters look a little taller!]
Kick, punch, it's all in the mind.
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- KVRAF
- 1974 posts since 21 Jun, 2002 from Earth
I still don't understand this... the process necessary to go thru setting up a rack and routing it on each track... to host a mixer is surely more painful than adjusting the way you look at the screen?
A fixed size horizontal VU meter would remedy all of this... wouldn't it?
A fixed size horizontal VU meter would remedy all of this... wouldn't it?
ModuLR / Radio
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- KVRAF
- 3364 posts since 16 Feb, 2004 from atop a katamari
i don't see the point in it either 
i was tempted to save it as an archive with the rackfilter in to save anyone who wanted to try it out the time and effort.. but i forgot! and i can't be bothered any more!
i'm way past needing an actual mixer. i think T2's horizontal metering will be excellent for quick judging, but at the end of the day you can only grab one at a time with the ol' mouse, so it doesn't matter if they're arranged vertically or horizontally, you know where they are.
i was tempted to save it as an archive with the rackfilter in to save anyone who wanted to try it out the time and effort.. but i forgot! and i can't be bothered any more!i'm way past needing an actual mixer. i think T2's horizontal metering will be excellent for quick judging, but at the end of the day you can only grab one at a time with the ol' mouse, so it doesn't matter if they're arranged vertically or horizontally, you know where they are.
Kick, punch, it's all in the mind.
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- KVRist
- 33 posts since 14 Jan, 2005 from portland oregon
I'm all for those who want a mixer to dig on in and make one for themselves... BUT, in the layout, isn't one of the WHOLE points of Tracktions inception to NOT have a mixer??? I've been attached like an umbilical to my mixer in samplitude for years... and in letting go, i'm seeing how much faster and further i get (faster) without. Let go... change... ya' don't need a mixer... Get A REALLY big monitor and enjoy seeing more, not less!! My two cents... but if ya'all want one, I appreciate the work that goes into creating one. But I'd rather see Jules pump out T2, and spend his valuable time on other stuff... and then maybe a vacation?? 
LOL Went to the french site and looked at the mixer, i really do appreciate the work there! Way to go!!!
LOL Went to the french site and looked at the mixer, i really do appreciate the work there! Way to go!!! -
- KVRAF
- 1974 posts since 21 Jun, 2002 from Earth
right. I'm always facinated by the amount of energy pourned into satisfying the "mixer" fix when everything is already on the screen. It just kinda weirds me out... hehehe 
anyway.. no harm intended here. If you must have a mixer, by all means.. go for it! It just seems like a lot of unnecessary work.
anyway.. no harm intended here. If you must have a mixer, by all means.. go for it! It just seems like a lot of unnecessary work.
ModuLR / Radio
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- KVRist
- 230 posts since 25 Nov, 2004
Thanks haydxn for that explanation/tutorial. Nicely done, thanks for catering to the whims of one mixer-addicted Tracktioneer.
As I've said, I won't try to justify my desire for a mixer, I'll just state that I'm not alone in this want. If you don't want a mixer, I understand, and I won't begrudge you that fact.
Time to give haydxn's method a shot.
As I've said, I won't try to justify my desire for a mixer, I'll just state that I'm not alone in this want. If you don't want a mixer, I understand, and I won't begrudge you that fact.
Time to give haydxn's method a shot.
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- KVRist
- 230 posts since 25 Nov, 2004
Okay, I've given haydxn's method a go, and it works just as advertised, but it's a pain to do for projects with alot of tracks. Thanks again though, as you've taught me a bit about routing the rack so that I can finally get Daniel's mixers to work.
Click "racks", click "show one rack" and click "new rack...create new empty rack". Rename it something convenient, like "Mixer".
Drag "new filter.." to the rack, and when it asks "Do you want to auto-connect this filter?" say "yes".
Now, you must create inputs for each track to go into the mixer. So, you can rename the inputs that are already there (leave the midi one as is) to be Ch1, Ch2, Ch3 etc. and add new ones as needed (Highlight the rack if you don't see the options below it--the mixers are strictly mono for now, so if you have stereo tracks, Ch1L, Ch1R, etc. which will use separate sliders in the mixer). Route these to the channels of the mixer, top to bottom.
That's it for creating the rack, now you must add it to each track: just drag where it says "drag here to insert an instance of this rack" to each track, right before Mute/Solo (delete the Volume/Pan and Level meters that are already there).
Click on the "Mixer" filter on the first track, and set the routing at the bottom, as in:
LEFT INPUT GOES TO: CH1
RIGHT INPUT GOES TO: CH1
LEFT OUTPUT COMES FROM: <NONE>
RIGHT OUTPUT COMES FROM: <NONE>
(This example is mono, since the mixer is mono).
Do the same for each track, changing CH1 to its' respective channel.
One of the tracks needs to output everything, so either create a new empty track, or change the last track's Mixer filter to"
LEFT OUTPUT COMES FROM: output1 (left)
RIGHT OUTPUT COMES FROM: output2 (right).
That's it. You should have a functioning mixer now. (to see it, click on the mixer in the rack itself and lock it in place, now you can close the rack).
I'm not entirely happy with the mixer, however. The sliders drop off at the bottom, there's no 0db mark, and the level meters are unusable.
I'd like to give TFMixer a try while Daniel's working on this, but I cannot figure out how to use it (the method for Daniel's mixer doesn't work for the TF Mixer.) You can find TFMixer at www.tracktionfaction.com if you're interested in giving it a go.
Click "racks", click "show one rack" and click "new rack...create new empty rack". Rename it something convenient, like "Mixer".
Drag "new filter.." to the rack, and when it asks "Do you want to auto-connect this filter?" say "yes".
Now, you must create inputs for each track to go into the mixer. So, you can rename the inputs that are already there (leave the midi one as is) to be Ch1, Ch2, Ch3 etc. and add new ones as needed (Highlight the rack if you don't see the options below it--the mixers are strictly mono for now, so if you have stereo tracks, Ch1L, Ch1R, etc. which will use separate sliders in the mixer). Route these to the channels of the mixer, top to bottom.
That's it for creating the rack, now you must add it to each track: just drag where it says "drag here to insert an instance of this rack" to each track, right before Mute/Solo (delete the Volume/Pan and Level meters that are already there).
Click on the "Mixer" filter on the first track, and set the routing at the bottom, as in:
LEFT INPUT GOES TO: CH1
RIGHT INPUT GOES TO: CH1
LEFT OUTPUT COMES FROM: <NONE>
RIGHT OUTPUT COMES FROM: <NONE>
(This example is mono, since the mixer is mono).
Do the same for each track, changing CH1 to its' respective channel.
One of the tracks needs to output everything, so either create a new empty track, or change the last track's Mixer filter to"
LEFT OUTPUT COMES FROM: output1 (left)
RIGHT OUTPUT COMES FROM: output2 (right).
That's it. You should have a functioning mixer now. (to see it, click on the mixer in the rack itself and lock it in place, now you can close the rack).
I'm not entirely happy with the mixer, however. The sliders drop off at the bottom, there's no 0db mark, and the level meters are unusable.
I'd like to give TFMixer a try while Daniel's working on this, but I cannot figure out how to use it (the method for Daniel's mixer doesn't work for the TF Mixer.) You can find TFMixer at www.tracktionfaction.com if you're interested in giving it a go.
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- KVRAF
- 3364 posts since 16 Feb, 2004 from atop a katamari
incidentally, if you have an 8 track mixer like the one i described, you can make a new version of it (say "mixer 9-16" and have that on the extra tracks; i.e. one mixer for each group of 8 tracks.
but at least now you've seen what's possible! i guess i should have saved it as a tracktion archive and then anyone could download it and try it out...
psh! never mind!
but at least now you've seen what's possible! i guess i should have saved it as a tracktion archive and then anyone could download it and try it out...
psh! never mind!
Kick, punch, it's all in the mind.
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
it dont look great but it works fine (if youre still into that mixer thing) !!!haydxn wrote:incidentally, if you have an 8 track mixer like the one i described, you can make a new version of it (say "mixer 9-16" and have that on the extra tracks; i.e. one mixer for each group of 8 tracks.
but at least now you've seen what's possible! i guess i should have saved it as a tracktion archive and then anyone could download it and try it out...
psh! never mind!
and if youre really that interested you can grab the tracktion archive i built after haydxns post HERE ... 8 channels already wired up and complete with per channel EQ and master fader / meter ...
... hope it works - never packed a .trarch before ...
slainte
rob