Sends are easy! Thanks, ModuLR!

[Tim Brackett]

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[Tim Brackett]

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[ModuLR]

What I would like to see is the option to route the aux sends directly to a physical output from a filter.

I think you have to propose that as a feature request for T2+ ... because accessing the sound card drivers directly from a VST like senderella would be a no go me thinks.

[Neil G]

yes, setting up one send with senderella is easy, but what about two?

like 2 send affects on the same track? for instance i want to put some reverb on a snare, but i also want this snare to go through a multiband compressor.

can this be done?

yeah.. it's pretty easy. Just put the "sender" senderella on the channel with the snare.. and put two "receiver" senderellas on two seperate tracks... one feeding a reverb and the other your multiband comrpessor.

ok but then how do you differentiate the amount of snare you want to the reverb and how much you want to the compressor?

this method will tie the two together.

oh and has anyone tried using senderella in a rack or a way to do sends in a rack at all?

because of latency, im trying to do my whole drum mix with in a rack

[AD80]

ok but then how do you differentiate the amount of snare you want to the reverb and how much you want to the compressor?

In that case its easier just to use more than one senderella. The first set on channel 1, and the second on channel 2. The the recieve channel 1 will be reverb, and the recieve channel 2 will be compressor.

[IIRs]

It would be more conventional to insert a compressor.. are you sure you want a send for that?

[Neil G]

It would be more conventional to insert a compressor.. are you sure you want a send for that?

well i want all the drums to go through it. not just one. dont i need a send to do this?

[ModuLR]

ok but then how do you differentiate the amount of snare you want to the reverb and how much you want to the compressor?

The way AD80 proposed is one way, but there is an even simpler way. If you take a look at senderella you'll notice the "amount" sliders are functional on the receivers (returns) as well.. so all you need to do is leave the sender at 100% and adjust the amount you want to feed into the effect on the return itself...

another way is to add a volume slider after each returns but before the effect chain.... there are a multitude of ways to do it. All pretty easy.

oh and has anyone tried using senderella in a rack or a way to do sends in a rack at all?

It works fine in a rack as a send. You can use it to bridge connections with other racks too, or set up feedback loops (just make sure to stick a limiter in there if you start messin' with feedback loops).

[IIRs]

well i want all the drums to go through it. not just one. dont i need a send to do this?

This would usually be done with a sub-group.

In Tracktion you just need to designate an empty track as a "group" and route all the desired tracks to it, in this case the drums. The compressor would then be inserted on the drum group track.

This does not affect the send in any way, except that if the reverb is only used for the drums you may want to consider routing the reverb return track to the drum group also..

[ModuLR]

well i want all the drums to go through it. not just one. dont i need a send to do this?

when you are compressing drums, you might want to use an insert as Platinumears is suggesting. If you've got all your drums in a rack, you would simply place the effect after the rack in your track. But using a send makes sense on stuff like reverbs where you might want multiple instruments (which are being processed independently) kinda sharing the same ambience generated by the verb itself but you control how much of the instrument on a track is being effected by the verb... (dunno if I made sense there.. hehe)

anyway, there are tons of reasons to use a send... really depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

[Neil G]

ok but then how do you differentiate the amount of snare you want to the reverb and how much you want to the compressor?

The way AD80 proposed is one way, but there is an even simpler way. If you take a look at senderella you'll notice the "amount" sliders are functional on the receivers (returns) as well.. so all you need to do is leave the sender at 100% and adjust the amount you want to feed into the effect on the return itself...

another way is to add a volume slider after each returns but before the effect chain.... there are a multitude of ways to do it. All pretty easy.

oh and has anyone tried using senderella in a rack or a way to do sends in a rack at all?

It works fine in a rack as a send. You can use it to bridge connections with other racks too, or set up feedback loops (just make sure to stick a limiter in there if you start messin' with feedback loops).

thanks for the help. im curious of how to set up senderella(s) in a rack as sends. screenshot anyone? this method seems more realistic to me as using mutiple outs with the addition of sends causes timing problems for me.

[Neil G]

well i want all the drums to go through it. not just one. dont i need a send to do this?

when you are compressing drums, you might want to use an insert as Platinumears is suggesting. If you've got all your drums in a rack, you would simply place the effect after the rack in your track. But using a send makes sense on stuff like reverbs where you might want multiple instruments (which are being processed independently) kinda sharing the same ambience generated by the verb itself but you control how much of the instrument on a track is being effected by the verb... (dunno if I made sense there.. hehe)

anyway, there are tons of reasons to use a send... really depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

got it. thanks.

i just want to take about 12 different drum elements, send them all to a reverb with diffrfernt amounts and tehn compress all the drum sounds together as well using a multiband. also adding an eq somewhere in the mix to cut the bass off all the sounds except the kick would be cool too.

[ModuLR]

i just want to take about 12 different drum elements, send them all to a reverb with diffrfernt amounts and tehn compress all the drum sounds together as well using a multiband. also adding an eq somewhere in the mix to cut the bass off all the sounds except the kick would be cool too.

For something like you are describing... try running the multiple outs from your drum plugin to individual EQ's within the rack... Adjust the eq's to your taste.. then add a compressor after the rack on the track to compress all the drums as a group. Then add a send after the compressor which will feed the reverb. That way you are feeding the reverb with the drums processed how you like it.

That would kinda accomplish your goal. I tend to add eq's all over the place depending on what I'm trying to cut.. but something like that would work for a start.

edit: then again, rereading what you wrote.. I realize you want to send independent amounts from each drum to the reverb. You can do this, but it's just gonna require a bit more work.

[Lunch Money]

[edit: the following was meant for NeilG, and Mod responded more quickly than I. ]

Unless you're going for special effects, I wouldn't do it in that order. If you compress AFTER sending to reverb, you're going to compress your reverb tails, which isn't such a great sound most of the time.

I'm afraid I don't have any fabulous suggestions as I don't usually treat each of 12 different drum components so surgically.

Greg

[IIRs]

i just want to take about 12 different drum elements, send them all to a reverb with diffrfernt amounts and tehn compress all the drum sounds together as well using a multiband. also adding an eq somewhere in the mix to cut the bass off all the sounds except the kick would be cool too.

I would do it differently..

Hey, thats the beauty of Tracktion, its so bloody flexible!

If all youur drum elements are in the rack already, why not add the reverb to it aswell? Then you just need a vol / pan filter for each drum controlling the amount sent to the reverb.

If you want to compress the reverb along with all the other drum sounds, simply add the reverb outs to the main rack outputs, and insert the compressor after the rack.. otherwise you can create another output pair for the reverb to keep that dry.