Sends are easy! Thanks, ModuLR!

[Neil G]

ok, thanks for all the help guys but im a little bit unclear.

lets say to make things easy, im going to put all the elements in the rack and do it this way because of timing issues

i would do an eq for each of the 12 outputs in side the rack.

but how do i set up sends in the rack, becuase, yeah, i dont want to compress the reverb tails also.

someone mentiioned use vol/pan filters to adjust the amount of send to the reverb in a rack but wouldnt this just be controlling the volume?

if any one has the time a steb by step thing would be awesome. if not i understand. but this is killing me. i have about ten finished tracks i want to start mixing down and mastering but im stuck on the drums in the first track.

[ModuLR]

I think you just need to grasp exactly what a send is as opposed to a insert.

Think of a send as routing in parallel... the signal gets split off from the original where it can be rerouted to an effect (or chain of effects) while maintaining the original signal on the original track.

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Inside the rack you could have something like this
               
[12 drum outs]--> [12 EQs]--> [1 Compressor]--> [1 senderella: in send mode]--> [Outputs on rack]

Place this rack on <Track 1> for example.

Now create <Track 2>, and do something like this...

[1 senderella: in receive mode]--> [1 reverb]--> Output to track.

for simplicity sake, I would suggest routing all the outs from your eq's into a single compressor. Compress the drums as a group... then connect that to a senderella instance. You can control how much of the signal will be sent to a receiver instance of senderella. When you click on senderella, it's the slider that says "amount." On the 2nd track, put another senderella and place it in receive mode. Then follow that with your reverb. When you hit play.. you will see your non reverb signal on the track 1.. and you will see your reverb effected drum signal on track 2.

then season to taste... once you get the concept, you'll see how easy it is to create exactly what you want.

If you are trying to do this with something like SIR, then throw these directions out the window.. as PDC screws the timing up.

[Neil G]

thanks mod and everyone else. i think im getting it now

in the above example. what would i do to keep the kick dry as i dont want any reverb on it. do i make seperate outs for it in the rack and give it its own dedicated track? or wait, i wouldnt be able to becuase the kick is already being sent through the compressor and the outs of the comp will contain all the drum sounds. eh, ill figure it. i guess i got to keep the kick seperate from everything else. probably the snare too/

[IIRs]

thanks mod and everyone else. i think im getting it now

in the above example. what would i do to keep the kick dry as i dont want any reverb on it. do i make seperate outs for it in the rack and give it its own dedicated track? or wait, i wouldnt be able to becuase the kick is already being sent through the compressor and the outs of the comp will contain all the drum sounds. eh, ill figure it. i guess i got to keep the kick seperate from everything else. probably the snare too/

you need a seperate send control for each drum sound.. set up a rack with all your drums routed to the main outputs. Now add a vol/pan filter to each drum sound which controls how much of that drum is sent to the reverb. The reverb can either be set up inside the rack, or you can wire all the vol/pan filters to another pair of outputs, and leave the reverb out of the rack..

[Neil G]

ok but wont the volume/pan only reduce/incease the volume of the plug, or is that what a send is doing anyways? and do these go before i route them all to the compressor or after.

[ModuLR]

just for clarity.. platinumears and I are talking about two different ways to accomplish the same goal. I'm using senderella in the example, but you could solely use the racks too. I find it easier to explain using senderella... but once you've got the concept, you can adapt it to using solely the racks.

Using senderella won't introduce any latency tho...

here is a pic...



in this example, I am compressing the kick seperately from the others. This way you can process it's amount sent to the reverb independently. Look at the lower panel and you'll see the options for senderella. The amount slider controls the "amount" sent to the reverb. The one for the kick will be independent of the others.

[IIRs]

..and here's an alternative!

The VSTi has four stereo outs: each is routed through an EQ, and then split to go simultaneously to the compressor, and to the Vol / Pan filter which controls how much of that signal reaches the reverb.

The reverb should be set up 100% wet so the only dry signal you hear is going through the compressor:



This way has the advantage that every drum sound has an individual reverb amount control, but it means the reverb can only be used for the drums. As an altrnative you could swap the reverb for a Senderella which can route out of the rack to a reverb which can then be used by other tracks.

[Neil G]

word up guys. thats what i was looking for. both your methods seem logical know that there right in front of me.

thanks again for the help and thatnks for your patience. im a bit slow with this stuff.

[rockstar_not]

Props to Jules for the curvy lines in racks!!!

I like just looking at those wirings. So much better than plain old straight lines.

-Scott

[Lunch Money]

Yeah, I use another app that's all straight lines, and I prefer the curvy ones, too.

Greg